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Old 02-12-2013, 08:16 PM  
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Obama wants to raise minimum wage to NINE DOLLARS AN HOUR



@RyanLizza: Obama will call for raising the federal minimum wage to $9.00/hour.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:24 PM   #181
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A minimum wage is not required.

If you don't pay enough, people won't come to work for you.

The market and the requisite skill level determines the wage level.

You have jobs you can't fill......look at the wages you are offering.
Of course those who are on unemployment MAY make better money doing nothing but there is no reason unemployment benefits run for 2 years.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:26 PM   #182
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I've spent the last decade of my life running a business. I can tell you where every dime in that business went, have prepared monthly and yearly p&l's, budgets, and I was doing the same when min wage not only rose 2 times on the fed but also on the yearly level in MO. I have ran a business, successfully, that was small, during one of the worst economic eras and with mainly minimum wage workers.
Then there's no way you truly believe that firing someone meant that it didn't hurt your business to do it.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:37 PM   #183
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:38 PM   #184
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Then there's no way you truly believe that firing someone meant that it didn't hurt your business to do it.
If I fired someone then that person, inadvertently or not, hurt my business. Increased wage mandates had little to do with it. If labor costs became too high of a percentage then I would find other ways to remedy that. Including raising sales if need be, but I found the cost in the last hike negligible. If anything it made me pay closer attention to how I was using my people.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:39 PM   #185
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But the EITC is just welfare!

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The minimum wage is a sort of backdoor welfare. That's its appeal, the welfare comes in the form of a higher paycheck so it doesn't feel like welare, but it causes all these problems trying to accomplish this.
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:07 PM   #186
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Still waiting for you conservatives to provide a single study that proves the B.S. your spewing. As had been stated, multiple states have a higher minimum wage than the federally level and most of those states out preform the federal average for employment.

The following info is from raisetheminimumwage.com: (can't link)
(feel free to cite your own evidence.)
(I know most of you conservatives will stick your head in the sand and not even look at the website, that is okay. In today's digital world, ignorance is a choice.)
-The website itself cites multiple studies and links to those studies, I have provided the brief summary of those studies.

"Two decades of rigorous economic research have found that raising the minimum wage does not result in job loss. While the simplistic theoretical model of supply and demand suggests that raising wages reduces jobs, the way the labor market functions in the real world is more complex. Researchers have examined the scores of minimum wage increases that have occurred at the state and federal level and found that these raises have not cut jobs or slowed job growth."

"(2011) finds that the adoption of city-wide minimum wages in San Francisco and Santa Fe raised wages without cutting or slowing job growth. In 2004, San Francisco raised its minimum wage above the state minimum of $6.75 to $8.50, and Santa Fe raised its minimum wage above the state level of $5.15 to $8.50. By 2011, both cities’ minimum wages were close to $10.00 – the highest in the United States."

"(2007) compares employment at restaurants in San Francisco and the neighboring East Bay before and San Francisco raised its minimum wage above the state minimum of $6.75 to $8.50 in 2004, and finds no reduction in employment or hours for restaurant workers in San Francisco."

"(2008) compares employment in Illinois, which raised its minimum wage in 2004 and 2005, to employment in surrounding states. The study finds that wage increases did not impact Illinois’ employment growth, and controlling for other economic factors, Illinois had higher employment growth than its neighboring states."

"(2006) examines growth in employment from 1998 to 2003 for small businesses with fewer than 50 employees, and found that employment in small businesses grew faster in states with minimum wages above the federal minimum wage than in states where the federal minimum of $5.15 an hour prevailed. In addition, the number of small businesses also grew faster in the states with higher minimum wages."


Increasing the pay of 15 million people increases demand, which increases sales, which increases profits. The Henry Ford idea.

Walmart is the biggest employer in the U.S. 80 percent of Walmart employees are on Federal assistance. You, the tax payer, are subsiding Walmart so they can pay low wages.

Conservatives: No to federal assistance; No to raising the minimum wage; no to unions. What do you guys do for workers?
I wonder why the republicans have only won one presidential popular vote in the last twenty years?

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Old 02-13-2013, 04:13 PM   #187
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Well if you can't trust 'raisetheminimumwage.com' then you can you trust?

And for the record, most of what you're trying to sell there can be easily explained as spurious correlations. Additionally, San Fran and Illinois are running massive debts because they're just printing off money to address skyrocketing costs of living in those regions...I'm sure increases in the minimum wage had nothing to do with that, right?
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:16 PM   #188
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Well if you can't trust 'raisetheminimumwage.com' then you can you trust?

And for the record, most of what you're trying to sell there can be easily explained as spurious correlations. Additionally, San Fran and Illinois are running massive debts because they're just printing off money to address skyrocketing costs of living in those regions...I'm sure increases in the minimum wage had nothing to do with that, right?
I trust "obamaisanangrybuttwhore.com" exclusively for all my minimum wage concerns/info
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:19 PM   #189
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Well if you can't trust 'raisetheminimumwage.com' then you can you trust?

And for the record, most of what you're trying to sell there can be easily explained as spurious correlations. Additionally, San Fran and Illinois are running massive debts because they're just printing off money to address skyrocketing costs of living in those regions...I'm sure increases in the minimum wage had nothing to do with that, right?
Did you check out the cite? Did you go to the official studies it provides to examine if they are bias?(they aren't, the site of course is, but the site didn't organize the studies). Or did you just stick you head in the sand? Do you offer your own studies to disprove what I posted? Or do you just expect me to be the average Fox viewer and accept whatever I am told?
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:33 PM   #191
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IF you don't want to go to the website, I will tell you where to find the studies: (next time, do your own homework. And learn to cite)

This is from "MINIMUM WAGE EFFECTS ACROSS STATE BORDERS:
ESTIMATES USING CONTIGUOUS COUNTIES" Review of Economics and Statistics; November 2010:

("2010) provides the most sophisticated study to date of the effects of increases in the minimum wage on job growth in the United States. Taking advantage of the fact that a record number of states raised their minimum wages during the 1990s and 2000s – creating scores of differing minimum wage rates across the country – the study compares employment levels among every pair of neighboring U.S. counties that had differing minimum wage levels at any time between 1990 and 2006 and finds that higher minimum wages did not reduce employment."

Here, I did your homework for you. You are welcome. Now you can go straight to the studies. (conservative are freakin lazy when it comes to providing information)

"The Wage and Employment Impact of Minimum-Wage Laws in Three Cities"; Center for Economic and Policy Research, March 22, 2011

"The Economic Effects of a Citywide Minimum Wage"; Industrial and Labor Relations Review, vol. 60, issue 4, 2007

"Minimum Wage Impacts on Employment: A Look at Indiana, Illinois, and Surrounding Midwestern States";IBR

"States with Minimum Wages above the Federal Level have had Faster Small Business and Retail Job Growth" Fiscal Policy Institute, March 30, 2006

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Here is another one: Source: "Hundreds of Economists say Raise the Minimum wage" Economic Policy Institute Oct. 2006. Web.

"Over 650 economists, including 5 Nobel prize winners and 6 past presidents of the American Economic Association, believe that increasing federal and state minimum wages, with annual cost-of-living adjustments for inflation, “can significantly improve the lives of low-income workers and their families, without the adverse effects that critics have claimed.”"
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