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Old 02-12-2013, 07:16 PM  
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Obama wants to raise minimum wage to NINE DOLLARS AN HOUR



@RyanLizza: Obama will call for raising the federal minimum wage to $9.00/hour.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:48 AM   #331
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Because clearly only the rich should be entitled to increases in the standard of living.
Nope, everyone should be entitled to an annual increase in the standard of living, every year until they die.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:50 AM   #332
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You seem to have taken my previous post seriously. for that I'm sorry. I was trolling and poking you for your continuing unprovoked assholish behavior.

Since when did we start talking about my intelligence level? Is that important to the discussion in this thread or this board?

Is there some kind of Chiefs Planet mensa test to post in the DC forum? Is there a Intelligence improvement class I can take? A vitamin to improve my puny intellectual heft? Or am I such a failure in life that I should just end it?

Feel free to answer but I'm no longer going to response to your posts. It's just a huge waste of time, takes away from my time watching honey boo-boo.

Just so we're clear - you posted something about the intelligence of my posts and now you're here whining that my response included language about your intelligence.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:06 AM   #333
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For those who only trust Conservative media, here is a safe site that cites their information:
/still waiting for studies that disprove this.

Source: TheAmericanConservative.com; "Raising American Wages...by Raising American Wages. November 19, 2012.

"With Americans still trapped in the fifth year of our Great Recession, and median personal income having been essentially stagnant for forty years, perhaps we should finally admit that decades of economic policies have largely failed.

The last two years of our supposed recovery have seen American growth rates averaging well under 2 percent.[i] Although our media often pays greater attention to the recent gains in stock market and asset prices, such paltry growth means that many of the millions of jobs lost in 2008 and 2009 will never be regained, and the broadest measures of American unemployment and underemployment will remain stuck in the vicinity of 15%.[ii] Meanwhile, an astonishing 93% of the total increase in income during the recovery period has been captured by the top one percent of earners, who now hold almost as much net wealth as the bottom 95 percent of our society.[iii] This polarized situation does not bode well for our future, and unless broader social trends in jobs and incomes soon improve, dark days surely lie ahead"

"Perhaps the most effective means of raising their wages is simply to raise their wages.

Consider the impact of a large increase in the federal minimum wage, perhaps to $10 or more likely $12 per hour."

"A minimum wage in this range is hardly absurd or extreme. In 2012 dollars, the American minimum wage was over $10 in 1968 during our peak of postwar prosperity and full employment.[viii] The average minimum wage in Canadian provinces is currently well over $10 per hour, the national figure for France is more than $12, and Australia has the remarkable combination of a minimum wage of nearly $16.50 together with 5 percent unemployment.[ix]"
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:24 AM   #334
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There's a simple economic law out there: you're paid what you're worth. Period. If you want to make more, become more economically valuable to your employer. I'm surprised people still haven't figured this out. If you think it's unfair Dwayne Bowe gets paid $10million, then just become an NFL receiver and produce for your employer like Bowe does and they'll pay you the same amount.


One could make a good argument about breaking up the ownership of capital, so there is less concentration of capital in the hands of the few. That makes sense. That's what America did earlier 20th century with anti-monoploy laws. But the idea you're not getting paid what your worth? Silly. Go to another employer and ask for more money. He might or might not pay you it. And if he doesn't, it sure's hell ain't because he's in cahoots with the other 20,000 businesses around KC to depress wages. There is no conspiracy.
only morons haven't figured this out yet
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:29 AM   #335
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Because clearly only the rich should be entitled to increases in the standard of living.
You get to choose whether you become rich or not. Do you know what it takes? Do you care? Are you trying to get there with minimum wage jobs?
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:42 AM   #336
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same lame argument. We want everyone to be rich. Everyone doesn't get to be rich. It just a pipe dream sold to the gullible public.
Those who want to be can. To often, they aren't willing to what it takes.
I don't feel sorry for those lazy bums.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:42 AM   #337
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You get to choose whether you become rich or not. Do you know what it takes? Do you care? Are you trying to get there with minimum wage jobs?
If hard work was the sole reason anyone got rich, every women in Africa would be a millionaire.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:43 AM   #338
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If hard work was the sole reason anyone got rich, every women in Africa would be a millionaire.
obvisouly you are dumb ass and don't get what I am suggesting
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:49 AM   #339
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obvisouly you are dumb ass and don't get what I am suggesting
Were also talking about country you live in, parental education, your education, the market forces of your location, and other random breaks that someone might get and someone else doesn't?

/no one is talking about making everyone rich
//what we want is for Americans to be able to work a job that and be able to pay for their own food, housing, transportation without getting help from the government
///great strawman your guys build up though
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:01 AM   #340
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Were also talking about country you live in, parental education, your education, the market forces of your location, and other random breaks that someone might get and someone else doesn't?

/no one is talking about making everyone rich
//what we want is for Americans to be able to work a job that and be able to pay for their own food, housing, transportation without getting help from the government
///great strawman your guys build up though
.....you make your own breaks.
If you want a job that pays enough for food, housing, and transportation you need to have the skill set required to get that kind of pay. You have to make the choices and sometime sacrifices that help you get that.

I worked two jobs and paid my own college expenses (no loans) to get through. It was necessary at the time but the dividends have been worth it.

Anyoine who wants it can do it.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:08 AM   #341
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//what we want is for Americans to be able to work a job that and be able to pay for their own food, housing, transportation without getting help from the government
Ok, what is your proposal? And if you dare say "More deficit spending on jobs programs!", you'll be punched in the nose.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:26 AM   #342
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If hard work was the sole reason anyone got rich, every women in Africa would be a millionaire.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:31 AM   #343
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.....you make your own breaks.
If you want a job that pays enough for food, housing, and transportation you need to have the skill set required to get that kind of pay. You have to make the choices and sometime sacrifices that help you get that.

I worked two jobs and paid my own college expenses (no loans) to get through. It was necessary at the time but the dividends have been worth it.

Anyoine who wants it can do it.
I did that several times in my life. It's ****ing hard.

The difference is that you think that someone who doesn't make the same decision as you or I did, they are lazy and unworthy of any help.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:21 AM   #344
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I did that several times in my life. It's ****ing hard.

The difference is that you think that someone who doesn't make the same decision as you or I did, they are lazy and unworthy of any help.
Damn right it is hard.

Lazy and unworthy of help....what help might that be? Artificially inflate wage rates for low skill work to a living wage? That is ridiculous.

They need job training and initiative.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:23 AM   #345
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I think if you're not willing to put in the work and the sacrifices to put yourself and your family in a better situation, you can't expect to live the same life style as those who do.

If you don't like being broke, find something to do to earn additional income.
I've got a good job, own a company....and last saturday and sunday, I was out treasure hunting and made around $400. Dirty work, but the same exact opportunity is out there for everyone.
I've been poor. Didn't like it much. Worked some pretty filthy jobs for pretty pathetic wages, to get myself into a position so I don't have to do that anymore.

It doesn't matter what the Min wage is....the economy will adjust so that will still be the same lifestyle because the costs of everything else will go up too. It's just how it is and it's pretty basic economics.
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