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Old 02-14-2013, 06:16 PM  
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KC Star cartoonist Lee Judge mocks Murder Of SEAL Sniper Chris Kyle



Kansas City Star cartoonist Lee Judge is responsible for this, he can be contacted at ljudge@kcstar.com. His boss, Miriam Pepper, at mpepper@kcstar.com.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:01 PM   #91
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I believe the reaction would be different if this had been a mockery of Derrick Thomas in the week after his death.
Except for this cartoon is clearly not mocking Chris Kyle. Except for that, perfect comparison.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:04 PM   #92
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I don't get the outrage. It's a little over the line, but it's a political cartoon. The biggest problem I have with the cartoon is that its point is pretty weak.

I also don't understand how people are so scandalized at the satirical use of someone's death on a website where there are daily threads lampooning the untimely end of any number of people. Some are criminals or whatever, but many have families that love them, etc. Why is someone who at one time worked for the military held above the same gallows humor?
I agree that it's kind of disingenuous. Kyle obvious wasn't at the ready and therefore not "...with a gun." However, what are we supposed to do, walk around with a gun pointed at everyone just in case? Of course people take the opportunity to murder when others aren't ready. People don't duel anymore. So in the end, it's saying if we can't stop people from getting a jump on others, how do we curb this?
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:04 PM   #93
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I don't get the outrage. It's a little over the line, but it's a political cartoon. The biggest problem I have with the cartoon is that its point is pretty weak.

I also don't understand how people are so scandalized at the satirical use of someone's death on a website where there are daily threads lampooning the untimely end of any number of people. Some are criminals or whatever, but many have families that love them, etc. Why is someone who at one time worked for the military held above the same gallows humor?
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I believe the reaction would be different if this had been a mockery of Derrick Thomas in the week after his death.
My thoughts exactly. I think it hurts because when this board lampoons someones death it is typically someone who is either completely anonymous or completely "deserving" of that fate. This guy is someone who, many, would hold in a very high regard for his service alone... let alone the fact that he was attempting to help a fellow ex-soldier recover from PTSD.

Dunno... but I'm obviously not the only person who felt some uncomfortableness with the drawing.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:06 PM   #94
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Except for this cartoon is clearly not mocking Chris Kyle. Except for that, perfect comparison.
But it USES him to make a point.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:08 PM   #95
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But it USES him to make a point.
Is there a point to this comment?

All political cartoons "use" someone by nature
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:09 PM   #96
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But it USES him to make a point.
If the point was solid, I wouldn't have any problem with that at all. Unfortunately it is just a weak point. It's an incredibly unique situation (due to some of the factors you stated) and so is not a good microcosm of the "good man with a gun" argument. That's what makes it kinda cheap to me. If the point had been more apt, I wouldn't care in the slightest.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:11 PM   #97
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You often have to use individuals to make a point, because statistics are harder for people to get their mind around. The fact that the cartoonist used Kyle, if anything, shows that he understands the tragic nature of his death and knows it will have a strong impact. Maybe a little opportunistic, but that's most political cartoons I see.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:26 PM   #98
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Is there a point to this comment?

All political cartoons "use" someone by nature
Yes but it was not a comment intended for you. As the person who the comment was directed at has quoted and written a sensible reply... it would seem that they understood the point of my comment.

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Old 02-15-2013, 10:28 PM   #99
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If the point was solid, I wouldn't have any problem with that at all. Unfortunately it is just a weak point. It's an incredibly unique situation (due to some of the factors you stated) and so is not a good microcosm of the "good man with a gun" argument. That's what makes it kinda cheap to me. If the point had been more apt, I wouldn't care in the slightest.
I agree completely.
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Old 02-16-2013, 01:31 AM   #100
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dude is doing a good job getting attention to a dead newspaper.
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Old 02-17-2013, 01:40 PM   #101
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Perhaps if God calls him home soon, the folks at the WBC can attend his services. For once they might not be countered by anybody...

I love how cartoonist love to stir things up and as soon as they get a reaction people come running to their defense... It's not OK to threaten anyone's life but these guys are Pros at what they do, so they know they're usually not being the least bit funny, and they're trying to get a reaction. LOL, they need to man-up when they know they're playing with the minds of very emotional people...

And......I wonder if any of them, or the people they work for, have hired anybody with guns to protect their family and them. Wouldn't that be funny?
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Old 02-17-2013, 01:57 PM   #102
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This should be in the DC section with the rest of the gun control debate.
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Old 02-17-2013, 02:10 PM   #103
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This should be in the DC section with the rest of the gun control debate.
This true....
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Old 02-17-2013, 02:20 PM   #104
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But it's also something I'd think needs to get started here, then moved... Not sure about others, I never go to the DC until it's been here first...
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:24 PM   #105
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