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Old 01-17-2013, 09:07 PM  
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:43 PM   #3136
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The draft value chart is ONLY valid for non qbs.

When a team is moving for a QB, the required points are nearly doubled most of the time.

Let me also say this...if Dorsey moves back for less than true point value, he should be beheaded for not just taking a QB...he would be doing what got ***** in hot water...trying to prove he is the smartest man in the room instead of making the obvious choice.
Well, that would be saying a few things. First off, they really don't like this Qb class. Second, they probably have already gotten their Qb before the draft.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:44 PM   #3137
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2=2600
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34=560

They only got 440 points from those future firsts because there were multiple bidders and they were moving up for a QB.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:45 PM   #3138
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The draft value chart is ONLY valid for non qbs.

When a team is moving for a QB, the required points are nearly doubled most of the time.

Let me also say this...if Dorsey moves back for less than true point value, he should be beheaded for not just taking a QB...he would be doing what got ***** in hot water...trying to prove he is the smartest man in the room instead of making the obvious choice.
Dude, we're not trading from 1st to 4th for a single 2nd round pick. It ain't happening, regardless of who the Eagles are targeting.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:46 PM   #3139
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They only got 440 points from those future firsts because there were multiple bidders and they were moving up for a QB.
Which is even worse for us in a trade down. We aren't going to get near as much because there isn't anyone prospect wise someone is jumping up and down to get.


The guy you've said you value the most said there wasn't a big difference in the first pick and the 25 or something like that. If thats the case, why trade up?
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:48 PM   #3140
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Dude, we're not trading from 1st to 4th for a single 2nd round pick. It ain't happening, regardless of who the Eagles are targeting.
Not even sure where you got that idea from in my posts. I think I've been pretty clear.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:51 PM   #3141
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Not even sure where you got that idea from in my posts. I think I've been pretty clear.
No, you really haven't.

It seems to me, at least, that you've spent the past several posts trying to build a case why a trade down is not only possible, but probable.

I started this conversation in complete disagreement and I remain that way.

The trade down dream scenario is just more unicorns and rainbows...
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:57 PM   #3142
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Which is even worse for us in a trade down. We aren't going to get near as much because there isn't anyone prospect wise someone is jumping up and down to get.


The guy you've said you value the most said there wasn't a big difference in the first pick and the 25 or something like that. If thats the case, why trade up?
I'm trying to illustrate CLEARLY that we AREN'T gonna be able to trade down, unless Dorsey is begging to be raped.

We are gonna be picking at 1.1 unless we get ripped off in point value.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:59 PM   #3143
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Who says it even has to be a trade for a QB? Maybe the Eagles get worried the Raiders will take Joeckel.
My point was that there's no player in this draft that any team would move up to #1 for. Unless one of the QBs makes a big move in the next month.

Although, hey, if somebody wants to trade to #1 for Joeckel, then great. Because I think the only thing stupider than KC spending our pick on him would be some other idiot franchise spending even more than that to get him at #1.

Unfortunately that scenario's just a pipe dream for the true fans. If somebody wants to jump Oakland, they'll be trading up to your pick, not ours. Unless we just give the pick away.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:59 PM   #3144
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I'm trying to illustrate CLEARLY that we AREN'T gonna be able to trade down, unless Dorsey is begging to be raped.

We are gonna be picking at 1.1 unless we get ripped off in point value.
Well then you absolutely weren't being clear.

We agree 1 million percent!
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:59 PM   #3145
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No, you really haven't.

It seems to me, at least, that you've spent the past several posts trying to build a case why a trade down is not only possible, but probable.

I started this conversation in complete disagreement and I remain that way.

The trade down dream scenario is just more unicorns and rainbows...
Posting a link to the chart that shows us with a pick worth 3000 points and then showing what I have in terms of what it took for a team to move up to 6 wasn't enough?
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:01 PM   #3146
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No, you really haven't.

It seems to me, at least, that you've spent the past several posts trying to build a case why a trade down is not only possible, but probable.

I started this conversation in complete disagreement and I remain that way.

The trade down dream scenario is just more unicorns and rainbows...
Exactly. Doesn't matter whether someone wants to move up to 1 for a QB or a Guard. They will pay a PREMIUM in order to pick FIRST.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:02 PM   #3147
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Posting a link to the chart that shows us with a pick worth 3000 points and then showing what I have in terms of what it took for a team to move up to 6 wasn't enough?
No, it wasn't.

Sometimes I just have a hard time following you.

No biggie. I'm dense.
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It's too bad Clowney isn't able to be in this class. We could probably get a kings ransom for him with Jacksonville picking after us.
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No, it wasn't.

Sometimes I just have a hard time following you.

No biggie. I'm dense.
I could have made it clearer, I guess.

My bad.
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It's too bad Clowney isn't able to be in this class. We could probably get a kings ransom for him with Jacksonville picking after us.
Yeah, true.

Although we'd probably just draft him.
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