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Old 02-18-2013, 12:33 PM  
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****Official **** You Mike Mayock Thread**** (OP UPDATED)

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The Kansas City Chiefs need a quarterback, but there aren't any this season that look like a top-ten talent, much less a No. 1 overall pick.

The way Mike Mayock sees it, the Chiefs should be looking to the offensive line for their first overall pick. And there are only four players worth the No. 1 overall pick in this draft for Kansas City: Alabama guard Chance Warmack, UNC guard Jonathan Cooper, Texas A&M tackle Luke Joekel, or Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher.

Mayock said on a conference call Monday that some people will say he's crazy to potentially take a guard at No. 1 overall, but Mayock says Warmack is the best player in this draft. So he doesn't see it as crazy at all.

In the end, Mayock believes the pick could come down to Joekel or Warmack. This is a draft where the top-shelf players don't stand apart too much, and there may not be a huge difference between picks 5 and 25. That makes it a tricky spot for the Chiefs.

Don't be surprised if Kansas City builds from the inside out, and finds their quarterback of the future later.



He gives the Chiefs 4 options at #1 and they're all offensive lineman? Go **** yourself bro

@Jacobs71: Here is what Mayock said on #Chiefs pick in full "Well, part of it depends on what they're going to do with free agency and Branden Albert."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think the answer to that, obviously, is going to give you the answer. Sitting where they are, let's face it, they need a QB."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"We don't know that there are a lot of people who think Geno Smith is in that ballpark."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't, but there are a lot of people that think he should be considered."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"When you look at what they're going to do, what are they going to do with Dwayne Bowe?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" Whoever the quarterback is, they need a wide receiver. And I think John Dorsey has to be thinking what is the big picture here?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I've got one, and I've got 34. What is the best combination of getting the most value out of that?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"And I think that offensive lineman at 1 is the most solid guy they can go with."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't care whether it's Warmack or Joeckel. People will tell me I'm crazy that a guard can't go No. 1."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think he's the best player in the draft, so I would argue that."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:" But either way, I think they've got to get an offensive lineman and come back at 33 and prepare to go with a QB or WR."

@Jacobs71: When I asked Mayock about who fits Reid's system at QB: " I think Matt Barkley makes a lot of sense."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" He's a guy as a junior at USC looked so much different than he did this year."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"With Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson, I think all three of those guys you have to go back and watch junior tape. "

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" So I think Barkley fits what he does. I think Ryan Nassib fits what he does."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson both can fit what he does."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"So of those, that group of guys of the top seven, eight quarterbacks, I think those are the guys that did it most efficiently."

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Old 02-18-2013, 03:52 PM   #136
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Credit Reid for what?

He drafted the guy and then thought so much of him that he shipped him out for picks.

I'd give Reid A LOT more credit if Kolb was the starter in Philly. Of course, if that were the case, Reid would still be coaching there.
Credit him for exactly what you just brought up you idiot. Kolb was the most valuable QB in the class, the only one anyone thought was worth anything. I can't help you if you don't see Reid has got a way with QBs.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:53 PM   #137
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And there's the difference between fans and GMs and coaches. They take a QB that busts, and it gets less and less likely they'll be around long enough to get it right. So they're more cautious than fans, for obvious reasons, and really want to get it right or not do it at all.
I would fully support a gm that balls and tried something new and didn't do the "safe" thing just because he's worried about his job.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:53 PM   #138
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And there's the difference between fans and GMs and coaches. They take a QB that busts, and it gets less and less likely they'll be around long enough to get it right. So they're more cautious than fans, for obvious reasons, and really want to get it right or not do it at all.
Yep. Mentioned that earlier today.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:53 PM   #139
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I was one of the CP crowd last spring trying to explain why we might take DeCastro at #11. I realized that was too early for a guard, but the talking heads said he was a once in a generation guard, so I went with it.

Then Pittsburgh drafted him and he had a terrible preseason.

Now, Mayock is telling us that there are two more once-in-a-generation guards available in this draft? I'm sorry. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice and screw you. I had a hard enough time convincing myself that I could live with a guard at #11. There is no way I can see taking a guard sooner than that. If you want Womack, trade down to #11 and take him, but don't waste my time with this nonsense.

This is a QB league. This is certainly not a guard league.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:54 PM   #140
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Geno should have went to the Senior Bowl. If he did, he could have impressed and be our projected pick right now.
I really wish he would have gone. I know it's a business decision, but I'm tired of this "guard at #1" talk.


However, it seems that he was able to not go to the SR bowl and still have a pretty good chacne to be the pick. So I can't say it hurt him too awful bad.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:55 PM   #141
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Credit him for exactly what you just brought up you idiot. Kolb was the most valuable QB in the class, the only one anyone thought was worth anything. I can't help you if you don't see Reid has got a way with QBs.
And where did he get the QB that he got the most out of?
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:55 PM   #142
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And thats a problem.


Get it right or not do it at all can make you too "scared" for lack of better word, to make the right choice.
Just mentioning the stakes. And they have to get it right. I trust these guys with that position as much as any brain trust in the NFL
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:56 PM   #143
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Credit him for exactly what you just brought up you idiot. Kolb was the most valuable QB in the class, the only one anyone thought was worth anything. I can't help you if you don't see Reid has got a way with QBs.
So we're not worried about Reid actually finding a QB that can PLAY?

BTW, Matt Moore was the best QB in that class, so Reid reached on Kolb by quite a large margin. At least he was able to put together the smoke and mirrors and convince the Cardinals Kolb was worth something, even though Reid himself knew he wasn't.

As for Reid's way with QBs, name them. Outside of Donovan McNabb, who was the #2 overall pick (and a GREAT pick by Reid, btw. He identified the best QB in THAT class by a mile), what QB "magic" has Reid actually performed?
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I really wish he would have gone. I know it's a business decision, but I'm tired of this "guard at #1" talk.
Good thing Te'o flamed out. Otherwise we could be hearing debates over whether to take a guard or a MLB at #1.
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And where did he get the QB that he got the most out of?
1st round, surrounded by busts at the same position. Reid got it right.
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Geno should have went to the Senior Bowl. If he did, he could have impressed and be our projected pick right now.
Geno himself acknowledged that.

That's why he's doing the whole show at the combine, against his agents' wishes.
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I really wish he would have gone. I know it's a business decision, but I'm tired of this "guard at #1" talk.


However, it seems that he was able to not go to the SR bowl and still have a pretty good chacne to be the pick. So I can't say it hurt him too awful bad.
It just kept him in line with the other QB's in the back end of the first round talk.

It wasn't about being better than the the other QB's as much as it was about raising his own stock to be worth a top 10 pick.
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1st round, surrounded by busts at the same position. Reid got it right.
Yes he did.

But outside of that 1 time, what else has he done?

I think Reid is a GREAT coach, I really do.

But this idea that he's a QB "guru" is extremely overblown.
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Just mentioning the stakes. And they have to get it right. I trust these guys with that position as much as any brain trust in the NFL
I trust them too, but there is also part of me that sees the "Chiefs Stigma" and thinks it may not matter who's choosing what.


When it comes to the KC Chiefs QB, I'm a pessimistic, jaded, cynical asshole. I guess Matt Cassel can do that to you.
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