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Old 02-18-2013, 12:33 PM  
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****Official **** You Mike Mayock Thread**** (OP UPDATED)

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The Kansas City Chiefs need a quarterback, but there aren't any this season that look like a top-ten talent, much less a No. 1 overall pick.

The way Mike Mayock sees it, the Chiefs should be looking to the offensive line for their first overall pick. And there are only four players worth the No. 1 overall pick in this draft for Kansas City: Alabama guard Chance Warmack, UNC guard Jonathan Cooper, Texas A&M tackle Luke Joekel, or Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher.

Mayock said on a conference call Monday that some people will say he's crazy to potentially take a guard at No. 1 overall, but Mayock says Warmack is the best player in this draft. So he doesn't see it as crazy at all.

In the end, Mayock believes the pick could come down to Joekel or Warmack. This is a draft where the top-shelf players don't stand apart too much, and there may not be a huge difference between picks 5 and 25. That makes it a tricky spot for the Chiefs.

Don't be surprised if Kansas City builds from the inside out, and finds their quarterback of the future later.



He gives the Chiefs 4 options at #1 and they're all offensive lineman? Go **** yourself bro

@Jacobs71: Here is what Mayock said on #Chiefs pick in full "Well, part of it depends on what they're going to do with free agency and Branden Albert."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think the answer to that, obviously, is going to give you the answer. Sitting where they are, let's face it, they need a QB."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"We don't know that there are a lot of people who think Geno Smith is in that ballpark."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't, but there are a lot of people that think he should be considered."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"When you look at what they're going to do, what are they going to do with Dwayne Bowe?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" Whoever the quarterback is, they need a wide receiver. And I think John Dorsey has to be thinking what is the big picture here?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I've got one, and I've got 34. What is the best combination of getting the most value out of that?"

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"And I think that offensive lineman at 1 is the most solid guy they can go with."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I don't care whether it's Warmack or Joeckel. People will tell me I'm crazy that a guard can't go No. 1."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think he's the best player in the draft, so I would argue that."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:" But either way, I think they've got to get an offensive lineman and come back at 33 and prepare to go with a QB or WR."

@Jacobs71: When I asked Mayock about who fits Reid's system at QB: " I think Matt Barkley makes a lot of sense."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" He's a guy as a junior at USC looked so much different than he did this year."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"With Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson, I think all three of those guys you have to go back and watch junior tape. "

@Jacobs71: Mayock:" So I think Barkley fits what he does. I think Ryan Nassib fits what he does."


@Jacobs71: Mayock:"I think Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson both can fit what he does."

@Jacobs71: Mayock:"So of those, that group of guys of the top seven, eight quarterbacks, I think those are the guys that did it most efficiently."

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Old 02-18-2013, 04:10 PM   #166
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I'd rather have a coach that can find THE QB and win a championship with him.

I'm looking for 2002 Andy Reid, not 2010 Andy Reid. Not appealing at all.
I'm looking for that sure fire super bowl coach too. I wonder who it is? Oh well, I'll take the best QB coach available by a wide margin and take my chances. Who'd you want?
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:11 PM   #167
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The main thing Geno needs to do is make sure his footwork is good and that he drives the ball with zip in all areas of the field.

He has to look solid in all areas because there are things that Geno just won't be able to do better than some of the other QB's.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:11 PM   #168
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DJ's theory is great and I absolutely agree with him.

But the NFL isn't NEARLY as forward thinking as we are.
Yeah, like the point Messier brought up early, it's the reason these guys go with the safe option. Safe doesn't get you fired as quick. It usually takes longer to show that it was the wrong thing to do.


Whereas a big swing usually does.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:11 PM   #169
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They said the same thing about Newton and he nailed almost all of the deep passing drills.

Geno is in position to do the same.

As for Glennon, for most teams, the deep passes are going to be offset by his erratic throwing in the 10-30 range.

You can get drafted throwing a rocket deep ball but you can't make a living in the NFL playing shitty in the intermediate passing game.
As my buddy on Twitter, @ECStoner would say (paraphrasing): Glennon will nail every throw in drills, but once you get him in game situations, he's bound to let you down.

The guy's footwork and pocket presence are not good, you guys.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:12 PM   #170
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The main thing Geno needs to do is make sure his footwork is good and that he drives the ball with zip in all areas of the field.

He has to look solid in all areas because there are things that Geno just won't be able to do better than some of the other QB's.
I'm guessing you are getting at arm strength?
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:12 PM   #171
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The main thing Geno needs to do is make sure his footwork is good and that he drives the ball with zip in all areas of the field.

He has to look solid in all areas because there are things that Geno just won't be able to do better than some of the other QB's.
Like what?
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:12 PM   #172
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I'm looking for that sure fire super bowl coach too. I wonder who it is? Oh well, I'll take the best QB coach available by a wide margin and take my chances. Who'd you want?
For head coach?

I personally like ANDY REID.

But his reputation as a QB "guru" has been inflated here.

Is he a good QB guy? Sure. Is he a genius? No, I really don't think so. I see a track record of having immense success with a guy drafted high and then a lot of meh...
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:12 PM   #173
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Yes he did.

But outside of that 1 time, what else has he done?

I think Reid is a GREAT coach, I really do.

But this idea that he's a QB "guru" is extremely overblown.
Andy also identified Kevin Kolb as the only decent guy from 2007, if that matters.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:13 PM   #174
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Yeah, like the point Messier brought up early, it's the reason these guys go with the safe option. Safe doesn't get you fired as quick. It usually takes longer to show that it was the wrong thing to do.


Whereas a big swing usually does.
Yep.
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Andy also identified Kevin Kolb as the only decent guy from 2007, if that matters.
We already covered that.
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I mean, not really.


Like he said, outside of McNabb, it hasn't been his development, it's been the player themselves.
I guess I see the rebirth of Vick into a better version of his earlier self as a coaching job. And how many years did he coach without McNabb, three? And he turned two backups in to nice trades. Reid has done well with QBs. And knows the position better than any coach the Chiefs have ever had.
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We already covered that.
My bad, I just got here.
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I guess I see the rebirth of Vick into a better version of his earlier self as a coaching job. And how many years did he coach without McNabb, three? And he turned two backups in to nice trades. Reid has done well with QBs. And knows the position better than any coach the Chiefs have ever had.
I think the Vick thing was smoke and mirrors, but thats just me.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:18 PM   #179
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Yeah, because the potential of doing the same ****ing thing that brought 40 years of failure is so ****ing hilarious. Hardy har har.
They are projecting. Trying to throw out opinions that aren't in the norm to create conversation, and you are biting. It's had nothing to do with what the Chiefs might do. If a QB is impressive at the combine the Chiefs will take him. No question about it. You guys freaking on every person that throws out a different take that has nothing to do with the Chiefs is hilarious. The only exception would be Dorsey's comment, but he hasn't seen Geno workout or interviewed him. If his opinion is the same after that then go ahead and freak the **** out.

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I guess I see the rebirth of Vick into a better version of his earlier self as a coaching job.
I agree that it was a good coaching job, but was it Reid understanding what Vick's limitations were and using him correctly or was it turning him into a BETTER QB?

I would contend it's the former, not the latter.

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And how many years did he coach without McNabb, three? And he turned two backups in to nice trades. Reid has done well with QBs. And knows the position better than any coach the Chiefs have ever had.
Again, I would MUCH prefer to see Reid turn guys like Kolb into a REAL QB rather than a trade piece.

Sure, it's a bonus to get value out of those guys but it would have been REAL VALUE if he actually got them to be GOOD QBs.
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