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Geno Smith is Sam Bradford

Geno Smith resembles Sam Bradford; more player comparisons


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West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith (left) offers a similar game to former No. 1 overall pick Sam Bradford.


The 2013 NFL Scouting Combine is on the horizon, which means evaluators are working around the clock to finish up detailed scouting reports on NFL hopefuls. These documents not only describe a prospect's background, character and playing ability, but they also include comparisons to thriving pros, painting a vivid picture of a player's game and potential in the minds of general managers and coaches.

As a young scout with the Seattle Seahawks, I was encouraged by future general managers John Schneider, Scot McCloughan and Ted Thompson to monitor the progress of players across the NFL, and use them as a reference point when projecting the potential of prospects. By obtaining a better understanding of how players succeed in the NFL, despite perceived flaws and/or unorthodox games, I gained a better feel for how future pros could thrive in the NFL with similar skill sets.

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In the past few days, I have engaged in several interesting conversations with my Tweeps about some of the top prospects in the 2013 class. While giving my opinion on the talent and potential of several NFL hopefuls, I routinely provided a pro comparison as a point of reference. Not surprisingly, the comparison frequently caused a bigger reaction than my overall assessment of a prospect's game and potential.

Here are the 10 notable comparisons that came to mind while I watched fall tape. Feel free to hit me back with your feedback on Twitter @BuckyBrooks.


Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia

NFL comparison: Sam Bradford, St. Louis Rams
Smith has been described as a "ho-hum" quarterback prospect in some circles, but I see a polished pocket passer with outstanding arm talent and passing skills. Smith displays the capacity to throw the ball accurately to every area of the field with zip, velocity and touch. Additionally, he flashes anticipation and awareness by leading receivers into open areas against tight coverage. Although a lot has been made of Smith's late-season struggles -- he tossed six interceptions over Mountaineers' final seven games after throwing 25 touchdown passes with zero picks in the team's first six games -- the fact that he finished the season with a 42:6 touchdown-to-interception ratio behind a leaky offensive line suggests that the reports of his questionable pocket presence and progression awareness are greatly exaggerated. Now, I'm not suggesting Smith doesn't have flaws that should rate as concerns for prospective teams, but I don't believe his deficiencies are significant enough to keep him from being a productive starter in the NFL.

Giovani Bernard, RB, North Carolina

NFL comparison: LeSean McCoy, Philadelphia Eagles
Bernard surprised some evaluators when he elected to enter the 2013 NFL Draft after a brief (but productive) career at North Carolina. However, I believe Bernard is not only ready for the next level, but he has a game that is ideally suited for the NFL. He is the classic three-down back with the capacity to impact the game as a runner or receiver. He is a slippery, between-the-tackles runner with exceptional vision and stop-start quickness. Although his game is built on quickness rather than speed, Bernard shows the ability to generate home-run plays with the ball in his hands. In the passing game, Bernard is a natural receiver with outstanding hands and receiving skills. Quarterbacks will love to target Bernard on third-and-medium situations on option routes, as he overwhelms linebackers with his quickness and burst in space. Factor in his explosiveness as a returner (see: Bernard's walk-off punt-return TD against N.C. State), and it is hard to find holes in his game, despite diminutive stature.

Robert Woods, WR, USC
NFL comparison: Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis Colts
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Woods seemingly became an afterthought in the USC offense after Marqise Lee's emergence as one of the top playmakers in college football. But astute NFL scouts see Woods as a polished receiver with all of the traits to be an effective starter as a pro. He is a gifted pass catcher with exceptional hands and ball skills. Woods snatches the ball out of the air cleanly, rarely flinching while making catches with defenders in close proximity. Additionally, Woods is a deft route runner with an innate feel for setting up defenders with various stems and tempos. He understands how to get open against any coverage -- this quality will make him a favorite of play callers and quarterbacks across the NFL. While some scouts will question Woods' top-end speed, I believe his polished game will eventually make him a Pro Bowler.

Mike Glennon, QB, N.C. State

NFL comparison: Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens
Glennon is one of the most hotly debated prospects in the 2013 class. Some scouts love his size and A-plus arm talent, while others are concerned with his limited mobility and decision-making under duress. When I watch Glennon on tape, I'm impressed with his pure passing ability. He spins the ball with tremendous zip and velocity, and shows the capacity to put the ball in the strike zone against tight coverage. Additionally, Glennon is a terrific deep-ball passer adept at dropping the ball down the chute on vertical throws. Now, I'm certainly troubled by his penchant for turning the ball over while under duress (Glennon tossed 17 interceptions in 2013, with three separate games featuring three-plus picks), as well as his limited athleticism. But I think he has the potential to thrive in an offense that prominently features the deep ball. With NFL offensive coordinators willing to adapt their respective systems to the fit the talents of the quarterback, Glennon could enjoy a productive career as a classic drop-back passer.

Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State

NFL comparison: Steven Jackson, St. Louis Rams
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Bell is one of the few big backs available in this draft, but he displays a game that is typically associated with scat backs in the NFL. He is a powerful runner between the tackles, but is also effective running off tackle or on the edges. Bell shows deceptive speed in getting to the perimeter, while also displaying better-than-anticipated wiggle and elusiveness in space. He is a rare runner with the ability to run over or around defenders, and NFL coaches will love building game plans around a back capable of handling 20 to 25 carries a game. Additionally, Bell is an impressive receiver out of the backfield with strong hands and ball skills. Although his size restricts some of his effectiveness as a route runner in space, Bell is an effective playmaker in the aerial attack with the potential to impact the game as a three-down player.


Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas

NFL comparison: Charles Woodson, Free agent
Vaccaro is the kind of hybrid safety NFL defensive coaches covet. The Texas standout is not only an outstanding hitter and playmaker against the run, but he is a terrific cover man with outstanding man-to-man skills, to boot. He can match up with tight ends and slot receivers in space, while also excelling as a deep-middle player in zone. Most importantly, Vaccaro displays the versatility to align anywhere in the back end, which makes him a valuable commodity as a playmaking safety in the middle of a sub-package. With the NFL quickly shifting to a league governed by the pass, Vaccaro is the prototypical safety needed to diffuse explosive offensive attacks.

Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia

NFL comparison: Percy Harvin, Minnesota Vikings
Austin is a unique playmaker at the receiver position. Checking in at 5-foot-9 and 174 pounds, Austin lacks the ideal size to be the primary option in the passing game, but displays a combination of speed, quickness and explosiveness that makes him a dangerous weapon in space. The Mountaineers capitalized on his skills by frequently getting him touches on bubble screens and quick routes on the perimeter. Additionally, Austin showed the ability to carry the ball as a running back (72 rushing attempts for 643 yards in 2012, including a remarkable 344-yard effort against Oklahoma), enhancing his value as a potential difference maker on Sundays. Given the fact that playmakers arealways valued at a premium in the NFL, Austin is an intriguing prospect for several teams.

Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State

NFL comparison: Jared Allen, Minnesota Vikings
Werner only has five years of organized-football experience, but he quickly developed into one of the most dominant players in college football. The former German exchange student is a high-motor pass rusher with exceptional first-step quickness and burst. He overwhelms blockers with his initial quickness, but also shows the capacity to turn speed into power. As a result, Werner routinely made plays off the edge (13 sacks in 2012), emerging as a true difference maker against the pass. As a run defender, Werner is a stout player at the point of attack, showing the strength, power and toughness to set the edge. Although Werner still needs to add some polish to his rugged game, he will enjoy success as a pro due to his persistence and relentlessness.

Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan

NFL comparison: Joe Staley, San Francisco 49ers
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Fisher is the most athletic offensive tackle in the draft. He displays exceptional agility and lateral quickness in matchups against finesse rushers, yet also shows the balance and body control to contain power players off the edge. Additionally, Fisher showcases the requisite nastiness to be an effective blocker in the run game. Given Fisher's unique combination of skills and size (6-8, 305), it is easy to see why scouts are buzzing about his potential as a standout left tackle at the next level.

Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri

NFL comparison: Henry Melton, Chicago Bears
It is uncommon for a defensive tackle to rank as one of the leading tacklers on a productive defense, but that was the case with Richardson at Missouri. He dominates the game with his quickness, athleticism and motor; NFL coaches will love his ability to make plays all over the field against the run or pass. As a pass rusher, Richardson blows past blockers with an explosive first-step and shows a knack for getting skinny in cracks to get to the quarterback. Additionally, Richardson displays excellent hand skills by masterfully winning hand-to-hand combat exchanges in tight quarters. Although Richardson can be engulfed by big bodies in the run game, he continues to produce with his quickness and burst. Most importantly, Richardson hustles and chases all over the field, demonstrating his will to win.

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Old 02-18-2013, 10:45 PM   #106
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There is no god damn way Geno is a better prospect than Bradford was. Bradford was considered the inevitable #1 overall in 2009, instead went back to school, missed most of the season, and still went #1 overall in 2010.

I don't see people salivating over Geno outside of this forum.
I don't give a fu@k about what the experts say. They opinions on Geno this year don't make any sense. Its bullshit.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:47 PM   #107
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That's stupid. Philip Rivers is a great teammate by all accounts.

His problem is shitty supporting cast and shitty head coach.

Shit, I'd trade the #1 for Rivers.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:52 PM   #108
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I'm just ecstatic that someone could compare Geno to a white QB. Now we all persevere until the day when a white WR is not compared with Wes Welker.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:38 PM   #109
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And are you really willing to say that Romo, Cutler, Rivers and Stafford can't win a SB? Because if so, you're saying that Geno Smith will be a failure as a #1 draft pick if he isn't better than all 4 of those guys - damn, that's asking a shitload isn't it? With those 4 guys in the mix, you really do have the top 1/2 of the league as a 'championship caliber' QB.

Quarterback remains the most important position in sports, but it's also become the most overhyped. You absolutely, positively cannot win in the NFL with a bad quarterback. However, the more I've looked at the league over the last couple of months, the more I've realized that all you really need to have is a guy in the top 1/2 or so.

The reason you roll the dice on a guy like Geno Smith is that a truly elite QB is still a force multiplier and a nice way to cover for some weaknesses. It's no doubt easier to win with a top 5 guy.

But if 15 is the best you can do, take heart - you can still win and win big with that guy.
No, I completely blanked on Romo, Cutler, and Stafford. Whoops.

Personally, I think Rivers is done. Romo and Cutler on their current teams make it difficult for them to reach a SB IMO but they could definitely do it as far as their individual talents go.
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There is no god damn way Geno is a better prospect than Bradford was. Bradford was considered the inevitable #1 overall in 2009, instead went back to school, missed most of the season, and still went #1 overall in 2010.

I don't see people salivating over Geno outside of this forum.
That's b/c outside of this forum, the majority of fans fall in line with what the pundits say. Educated fans or not. The difference here is, Chiefs fans are sick and ****ing tired of Matt Cassel and every other QB in his image. We don't want it, we know where it gets us. Nowhere.

This team is too talented to finish 2-14.
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You know, Bradford had a different resume. It involved winning games in a major football conference, that kind of thing.
Didn't make reads in college.

Multiple injuries, including one that cost him his last year at Okl.

Strictly a shotgun spread monkey.
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That's b/c outside of this forum, the majority of fans fall in line with what the pundits say. Educated fans or not. The difference here is, Chiefs fans are sick and ****ing tired of Matt Cassel and every other QB in his image. We don't want it, we know where it gets us. Nowhere.

This team is too talented to finish 2-14.
Keep in mind, my team ALSO finished 2-14. I would still be uneasy with the Jaguars taking Geno. Especially with so many good prospects coming out next year.

But Bradford was absolutely insane in college.

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Didn't make reads in college.

Multiple injuries, including one that cost him his last year at Okl.

Strictly a shotgun spread monkey.
You should look up the percentages of first read passes by Geno. As well as what type of offense he played in...
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Ok so let's look deeper into the Bradford comparison.

Bradfords predraft cons:
1. Spread/shotgun QB.
2. Played on an exceptional team, behind a brick wall line. He faced very little adversity or pass rush in college.
3. What else? I remember those 2 as the main issues. He was pretty thin iirc.

Bradfords NFL shortcomings:
1. Plays poorly under QB pressure. Kind of goes back to #2 above. As good as his OU line was, his STL line has been bad. He's still learning to make plays under pursuit.
2.Durability? As others have said, he seems to always have something wrong with him.
3. What else?

Overall it seems that some of the pre draft concerns have been justified. It's also clear that he's played behind a bad line with limited weapons to throw to. If I'm a Rams fan, I would have expected better but certainly wouldn't be ready to flush.
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Ok so let's look deeper into the Bradford comparison.

Bradfords predraft cons:
1. Spread/shotgun QB.
2. Played on an exceptional team, behind a brick wall line. He faced very little adversity or pass rush in college.
3. What else? I remember those 2 as the main issues. He was pretty thin iirc.

Bradfords NFL shortcomings:
1. Plays poorly under QB pressure. Kind of goes back to #2 above. As good as his OU line was, his STL line has been bad. He's still learning to make plays under pursuit.
2.Durability? As others have said, he seems to always have something wrong with him.
3. What else?

Overall it seems that some of the pre draft concerns have been justified. It's also clear that he's played behind a bad line with limited weapons to throw to. If I'm a Rams fan, I would have expected better but certainly wouldn't be ready to flush.
There is a reason why Fisher slammed his glasses on the table when the Jags moved up to take the stud in my avatar. He was hoping to weaponize Bradford.

I still remember that game Bradford had against Texas Tech. That was redonk.
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Then how do Geno's cons compare?

1. His current system is also a spread. I know he played in a pro style, but don't pretend to know how his footwork looked in his dropbacks. Thats the biggest issue with spread QBs imo, footwork is 3, 5, and 7 step drops.

2. Geno has faced more adversity. Every game he played this year was on his shoulders due to poor defense. His "bad" games came against his toughest opponents, but how bad was he in those games?

3. Size? He's a little small, would like to see him thickened up, but he's been durable.

I don't think Geno joining the Chiefs would be as rough as Bradords introduction to the league. He'll have a better line, and better weapons (assuming Bowe and Albert return).

Geno's resume doesn't match Bradford's, but he didn't have the luxury of playing on the 2009 Sooners either.
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Dear lord...did you just say Geno faced more adversity? Geno was barely on the map last year.

Bradford spent an entire sophomore season contending for a national title, winning the Big 12, then losing in the national championship. And then he got injured and missed almost an entire year.

Unless your definition of adversity only includes the quality of their own team. Which would be stupid.
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Dear lord...did you just say Geno faced more adversity? Geno was barely on the map last year.

Bradford spent an entire sophomore season contending for a national title, winning the Big 12, then losing in the national championship. And then he got injured and missed almost an entire year.

Unless your definition of adversity only includes the quality of their own team. Which would be stupid.
Bradford's qb'd a ton of blowouts playing for an exceptional team behind an incredible Oline.

I'm certain it was an issue in pre draft evaluations. He played on a big stage, but he was surrounded by stellar college talent.
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No, I completely blanked on Romo, Cutler, and Stafford. Whoops.

Personally, I think Rivers is done. Romo and Cutler on their current teams make it difficult for them to reach a SB IMO but they could definitely do it as far as their individual talents go.
I don't think Rivers is done. I do think he was burnt out on that team the way they were. Get some new life in him and I think he will be ok. Him and Romo need to get over the hump and stop making bonehead mistakes at the worst times. Maybe they won't, but I still think they both have a chance. I would not be upset if Rivers was the QB of the Chiefs.
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Bradford had six NFL starters on his offense alone, with several other NFL players as backup depth or NFL backups as starters.

He might have played on the most talented college offense of the last decade.

You could plug almost anyone into that system and they would put up ungodly numbers.
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