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Old 02-19-2013, 07:14 AM  
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Ya know, the Chinese really aren't our friends...

Just another reason not to buy crap from WalMart.

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"....(China) was behind hundreds of attacks on U.S. companies, focusing increasingly "on companies involved in the critical infrastructure of the United States — its electrical power grid, gas lines and waterworks." Nervous yet?"


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I think sometimes we spend to much time worrying about countries that have little strategic interest to us and not enough time worrying about one that does.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:23 AM   #2
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It's common knowledge, in the communications business, that the Chinese are always trying to spy, get passwords, etc... I wouldn't doubt we're doing the same and maybe even started the game.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:37 AM   #3
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It's common knowledge, in the communications business, that the Chinese are always trying to spy, get passwords, etc... I wouldn't doubt we're doing the same and maybe even started the game.
Truth... we do the same thing, and probably more...
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:44 AM   #4
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Just another reason not to buy crap from WalMart.
Goods made in China are carried everywhere—NOT just by WalMart.
Boycotting WalMart is not going to stop that.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:58 AM   #5
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Goods made in China are carried everywhere—NOT just by WalMart.
Boycotting WalMart is not going to stop that.
BEP...I wasn't really talking about WalMart with that swipe, altho it came off that way...I really was talking about Chinese goods.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:08 AM   #7
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BEP...I wasn't really talking about WalMart with that swipe, altho it came off that way...I really was talking about Chinese goods.
Okay, oldandslow. Just to clarify why I took it that way, you said just "another" reason. That reason is one of the main reasons some won't buy from them. So, that would include that reason. When you add "Chinese goods" to it, it looks to me like it reinforces the same reason. These Chinese goods are carried everywhere. In fact, I read some places change the labels out or add the labels in another country nearby to hide this fact, due to outrage over manufacturing being done in China.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:17 AM   #8
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"....(China) was behind hundreds of attacks on U.S. companies, focusing increasingly "on companies involved in the critical infrastructure of the United States — its electrical power grid, gas lines and waterworks." Nervous yet?"
No. They've been doing this for years and it's no surprise.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:46 AM   #9
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I think sometimes we spend to much time worrying about countries that have little strategic interest to us and not enough time worrying about one that does.
You may or may not have noticed that during the Bush years our country deployed personnel and equipment, and more importantly, built relationships with nations not only around the top terrorist nation in the world (Iran), but also around China. I don't think that was a coincidence.

Of course, under Obama, we recede.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:24 AM   #10
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I think sometimes we spend to much time worrying about countries that have little strategic interest to us and not enough time worrying about one that does.
It's a new world. China and America have no desire to get into proxy wars, try to outspend each other propping up dictators and bad governments that are puppets of each side.

The era of public posturing and brinkship between world superpowers produced nothing positive. We spent our blood and treasure to prop up scumbags. Russia bankrupted itself. We learned. China learned. Don't expect anything different unless they are forced to...aka North Korea.

There is an undeclared war going on. It's just being kept private. Every once in a while something will leak out but mostly its a dark war battled in cyberspace. This new paradigm started 20 years ago. The Chinese stole every single nuclear secret we had. Nuclear plant designs, plans for war, how we store and move nuclear weapons, our future plans...every single thing. Did you hear of a international crisis? Political brinkmanship?

Use some critical thinking skills to figure out why. Either we are total wimps that are scared of the Chinese bully that beat us up and took our lunch money or maybe we had previously done some of the same things to them.

Every war is dangerous and I've tried to educate this board on the dangers of a cyber war. But, you can take comfort that even though this war is not being fought in public, we still have the best cyber fighters and tools on the planet.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:52 PM   #11
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Every war is dangerous and I've tried to educate this board on the dangers of a cyber war. But, you can take comfort that even though this war is not being fought in public, we still have the best cyber fighters and tools on the planet.
Yet, the civilian cyber security needs to step it up. We just need to get rid of java.

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Vs. China’s cyber-attacks

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Last Updated: 3:50 AM, February 21, 2013
Posted: 10:49 PM, February 20, 2013

This week, a cutting-edge security firm in Virginia, Mandiant, reported that it had traced major cyber-attacks on 140 US and other Western targets back not merely to China but to a specific Shanghai high-rise belonging to Chinese military intelligence.

Mandiant did splendid detective work at the unclassified level. But the situation’s even worse. Exasperated government workers tell me we should be terrified at what the Chinese already have done to us.

The Chinese government has hack-attacked our military, other branches of government, the defense industry, our energy infrastructure, telecommunications, hi-tech research and basic manufacturing.

According to the US International Trade Commission, Chinese intellectual property theft cost the United States $48 billion in 2009, as well as taking away 2 million jobs. Since then, the amount of theft has worsened, so the total loss is likely around $300 billion. But US companies, afraid that making their losses public will shake consumer confidence, won’t go public with their outrage.

Our military and intelligence services know the situation has gone beyond the Chinese preparing for cyber-war: Beijing’s already waging war against us.

It’s not that we can’t fight back. We have stunning, close-held capabilities to respond with punishing cyber-strikes of our own. We have the intelligence. We have the targets.

But the order never comes.

We’re bleeding money, government secrets, technology secrets, corporate strategies — and seem to have suffered trial attacks on our critical infrastructure. Why won’t the Obama administration do anything to retaliate against Chinese cyber-assaults?

Playing defense doesn’t cut it. The Chinese won’t throttle back until they feel pain. Serious pain.

There are four possible reasons for President Obama’s inaction — only one of them faintly valid:

Our own businessmen put profit over patriotism. The minority of US-based corporations that make money in (or off of) China form an influential lobby in Washington. It was bad enough when outsourcing dumped hardworking Americans out on the street, but arguing that we shouldn’t respond to Chinese attacks is greed bordering treason.

Imaginary legal concerns paralyze this administration. If Obama had been president on Dec. 7, 1941, he’d have spent all of 1942 having government lawyers research whether sinking our Pacific fleet in a surprise attack was an act of war. We are under attack. Every day, around the clock. And our president seems afraid that Chinese spies are going to sue us.

Team Obama just has other priorities: If the administration had a theme song, it’d be the old country number, “Make the World Go Away.” Obama came to office with no serious interest in foreign policy, but a highly charged domestic agenda. And foreign policy has bewildered, befuddled and bloodied his presidency, as it’s done to Democrats since the Vietnam War. He just wants foreign problems to disappear.

We fear a massive cyber-attack. This is the only remotely valid reason for responding carefully, but inaction merely worsens the prospect of disasters to come. And the administration is doing precious little to improve our defenses in the meantime.

The more complex a socio-economic system becomes, the more vulnerable it is to any kind of attack. Our vast infrastructure offers countless target nodes, while our centralized systems for distributing everything from energy to foodstuffs rely on national networks and long-distance supply chains. An African village wouldn’t suffer much from a cyber-attack; a Chinese town would feel it, but not severely. An American city would shut down.

Which means you can’t play tit-for-tat and let the Chinese continue to escalate. You have to hit their military and intelligence computer networks with shocking force — demonstrating what we could do to their showcase cities, if they don’t behave.

They have to be punished for their massive theft of our secrets and intellectual capital — as well as for the direct damage they do.

If you don’t stand up to the bully, the bully keeps taking your lunch money.

As for the nonsense that we can’t retaliate because Beijing holds so much US debt, that situation makes China our prisoner, not the other way around. The Chinese economy is far more fragile than the leadership in Beijing lets on.

In the time you spent reading this column, the Chinese launched multiple attacks upon our country. Your president, whose fundamental mission is to protect the United States, did nothing.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:08 PM   #14
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