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Old 02-19-2013, 12:15 AM  
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I need help fast, guys.

I have recently suspected my brother has been into drugs (lost his job, erratic behavior, money troubles, poor hygiene...), and I just found all the evidence I need in his pocket. Two hypodermic needles and heroin (what I presume is Heroin). He is passed out in my parents living room right now. I do not know what the **** I am supposed to do. Our stepdad pretty much despises him for how he treats our mother, and I really do not want to have to tell her this. I also do not want to see him in jail, since that will pretty much ruin his future, and not to mention how it will hurt his chances of getting to have anything to do with his daughter again. I am at a complete loss right now. I have no idea what to do or who to talk to.

I emailed a friend that is a therapist to ask him for information on who to contact and how to go about this. **** this sucks. Anybody here have experience with this at all?? Please help me.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:15 AM   #31
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Jail won't kill him, probably the best thing for him. Forced rehab.

As long as it's not a felony employers will overlook someone who reached out for help for their own problems.

That's tough to do.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:25 AM   #32
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Hate to say it but, I doubt your brother seeks treatment. Instead he will obviously be facing criminal charges. From the sounds of it both violent and non-violent in nature. If it is heroin, probably a felony that will follow him around for life. Maybe I wrong, maybe your small town has enough monetary and other resources to afford a drug court where he can recieve proper treatment. Then again maybe you just sent him into criminal court only to have a outcome you never intended. A class c felony conviction for heroin possession in Missouri can carry a sentence up to 7 years. Doubtful he recieves a sentence that large, but the added assualt charge sure doesn't help his now criminal and addiction issues.
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:16 AM   #33
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You didn't do anything wrong. The relationship between him and his daughter. ..he ruined that. Drug charge...his fault. He wasn't thinking about any of that when he decided to get high. He chose to ruin his life, youre just helping save it. No guilt for what you did.
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:20 AM   #34
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I'd do the same thing, he'll be treated in a rehab center. More then likely he'll be on methadone for the rest of his life. He should have never put you through that situation in the first place. Very selfish on his part. Kudos for taking a stand.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:42 AM   #35
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More then likely he'll be on methadone for the rest of his life.
I hope not. methadone is worse than actual smack from what I've seen. my cousin was on it for several years and it made her a zombie. her doctor switched her to subuxone (sp?) and she got a lot better pretty quickly. she still has problems but at least she isn't in a stupor 24/7.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:57 AM   #36
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great advice in this thread....

realize if he's using heroin, he's stuffing down major pain....the only good thing out of this is now can be the breaking point of facing his demons and heading down the road to recovery.


props to you for being willing to step up and help. major courage.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:00 AM   #37
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Man, I'm really sorry to hear this. There is not much I can do to help except pray for you and your family.

I hope your interview goes well.

All the best.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:04 AM   #38
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never been through it. but I've heard from people who have that used both approaches.
either kicking their ass into gear/tough love, or the more therapudic method.

both were successful, but I'd imagine each situation is completely different.

I'd go with the treatment deal; kicking his ass into the treament center if necessary.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:15 AM   #39
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Here's the rub. You don't need help. He does. You want him to be helped. He does not. You can't fix this problem. He has to fix it. Drug addicts don't want help until they hit rock bottom. The only thing you can do to "help" is push him towards rock bottom. That includes doing things that will be uncomfortable for you, him, your family, and your relationship:
1. You could notify authorities.
2. You could swipe his stash. Tough to get high when you don't have the goods.
3. You could tell your family.
4. You could call 911 and tell them he OD'ed.

You're going to be forced to do something that sucks or do nothing at all and wait for him to destroy his life even more or perhaps even kill somebody or himself. I don't envy you this position but it's probably not your fault and unless you have big brass ones, there's nothing you can do about it.

Not exactly true. You can make a difference RIGHT NOW. While he's passed out you need to get all his stash from him. Next drag him into a closet that you can lock and keep him there until he's dried out. You can cut a small hole in the bottom to slip him some water from time to time and maybe some cheese sticks when he gets hungry. Go ahead and tell your mom what's up so she won't get too concerned about what all the noise is coming from the closet. This will all be over with in three to five days. He will thank you later and you'll have peace of mind that you saved your brothers life.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:22 AM   #40
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Not exactly true. You can make a difference RIGHT NOW. While he's passed out you need to get all his stash from him. Next drag him into a closet that you can lock and keep him there until he's dried out. You can cut a small hole in the bottom to slip him some water from time to time and maybe some cheese sticks when he gets hungry. Go ahead and tell your mom what's up so she won't get too concerned about what all the noise is coming from the closet. This will all be over with in three to five days. He will thank you later and you'll have peace of mind that you saved your brothers life.
No, do not do this, as it would be felony kidnapping and it would ruin YOUR life if for whatever reason he goes to the authorities.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:22 AM   #41
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Sorry to hear about this situation, and I hope it turns out okay for him. As far as feeling guilty about getting him in trouble, keep in mind it was him that put you unwillingly into that situation. He was bound to get in trouble one way or another, either death or drug stings or high in public. No one ever sits at home shooting heroin and ends up making something of their life.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:27 AM   #42
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Not exactly true. You can make a difference RIGHT NOW. While he's passed out you need to get all his stash from him. Next drag him into a closet that you can lock and keep him there until he's dried out. You can cut a small hole in the bottom to slip him some water from time to time and maybe some cheese sticks when he gets hungry. Go ahead and tell your mom what's up so she won't get too concerned about what all the noise is coming from the closet. This will all be over with in three to five days. He will thank you later and you'll have peace of mind that you saved your brothers life.
Hope your joking right? The withdrawel could kill him with out treatment and being safe. Being locked up in a closet could make him freak out and really cause some harm. He needs to detox in an invironment that helps people detox.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:33 AM   #43
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Hope your joking right? The withdrawel could kill him with out treatment and being safe. Being locked up in a closet could make him freak out and really cause some harm. He needs to detox in an invironment that helps people detox.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:34 AM   #44
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Hope your joking right? The withdrawel could kill him with out treatment and being safe. Being locked up in a closet could make him freak out and really cause some harm. He needs to detox in an invironment that helps people detox.
Good point. My advice would be then to divide his stash up into 5 days worth and give him a smaller amount each day till it's gone. That should get him thru withdrawals.
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With other drugs, I might counsel differently, but you need to realize the dire consequences of opiate addiction. It is, literally, a life or death situation.

If your brother were tiptoeing blindfolded along a 2x4 between two buildings 500 ft. in the air, you'd probably tackle his ass and hold him down, which you wouldn't do in "normal" circumstances. That's what he's doing with heroin. Smack addicts always think they're "safe," but anyone can overdose. Your justified in breaking normal sibling and familial norms in this situation, just like in the above scenario, because it's literally a life and death scenario.

A good friend of mine was just dabbling with heroin and ended up dead in his apartment in NYC. It's just way too easy to OD on the shit.

So you did the right thing.
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