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Old 01-31-2012, 01:52 PM  
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:04 AM   #6316
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Nobody is clamoring to play in the Big 12. There's simply no status boost like there is playing in the SEC. The SEC allure is very real, and the fans understand and embrace it. It pisses off the rest of the country, but SEC fans don't care because they have scoreboard overe every other conference combined..

It's been good for Mississipi State? It's been good for Vandy? It's been good for Kentucky? I'm having a hard time following you here. Isn't the SEC exactly like every other conference of the super-wealthy, the middle class, and the welfare queens? The question for Mizzou is where ya gonna end up.


As for "scoreboard", you don't have shit. You didn't win shit. I'll keep reminding you that someday, you're going to have to stop hiding behind the conference success and let Mizzou sink or swim on its own merit.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:13 AM   #6317
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Depends on context. It was last in the SEC. Frankly what Pinkel's doin' ain't gonna cut it and it's not close.
Mizzou was ranked ahead of multiple SEC teams in 2013 recruiting. W are also ahead of Oklahoma State, TCU, Kansas, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Iowa State.

Every team in the SEC was in the top 40. The Big 12 champion finished 56th. The highest rated Big 12 team finished 13th. SEVEN teams from the SEC finished above the top Big 12 team.

Can't compete in the SEC? Ole Miss has the #2 class in the country.

There are 33 5* players in the country. The SEC got 21 of them.

The SEC had 4 teams land multiple 5* players. The rest of the conferences combined had 1.

These players didn't all go to the traditional powers, either. 11 of them went to Mississippi, Mississippi State, Auburn, A&M, or Arkansas.

Being in the SEC doesn't automatically make you a "have", but it sure opens a lot of doors.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:20 AM   #6318
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It's been good for Mississipi State? It's been good for Vandy? It's been good for Kentucky? I'm having a hard time following you here. Isn't the SEC exactly like every other conference of the super-wealthy, the middle class, and the welfare queens? The question for Mizzou is where ya gonna end up.
You've just named the three worst programs in the SEC. Their recruiting ended up ranked 22, 35, and 39 respectively. That would put them third, fifth, and seventh in the Big 12. The worst team on that list is 17 spots ahead of the Big 12 champ.

Yes. It has helped those teams.

The middle class of the SEC (excluding the newcomers) would be teams like Tennessee, Auburn, Arkansas, and Georgia. Two of those teams have won national titles as SEC teams in the last 15 years, and the other two have been top five teams in the past two years.

Middle class in the Big 12 would be Oklahoma State, Iowa State, and Tech. Those aren't awful programs or anything, but they aren't Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, and Arkansas.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:25 AM   #6319
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Yep, looks like those bottom 1/2 of the SEC has had loads of fun the past 50 years. Going 3-8/4-7 all the time. Whee!!!! I guess they recruited better LG and FS than they normally would have. So there's always that.



That is just football. Here's what basketball down there is already doing to your fans:

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Old 02-19-2013, 08:29 AM   #6320
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So I'm not reading all this college bashing shit. Is there any movement going on or is this whole thread just bullshit?
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:30 AM   #6321
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Yep, looks like those bottom 1/2 of the SEC has had loads of fun the past 50 years. Going 3-8/4-7 all the time. Whee!!!! I guess they recruited better LG and FS than they normally would have. So there's always that.



That is just football. Here's what basketball down there is already doing to your fans:

Those teams are so bad they don't even get to play 12 games? That must really suck.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:02 AM   #6322
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I referenced the last 50 years. If I said 3-9, that wouldn't have been correct before 2005. You see, the SEC bottom feeders (cough cough) have sucked for eons. It's not a new thing - nor will it ever change.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:21 AM   #6323
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Yep, looks like those bottom 1/2 of the SEC has had loads of fun the past 50 years. Going 3-8/4-7 all the time. Whee!!!! I guess they recruited better LG and FS than they normally would have. So there's always that.



That is just football. Here's what basketball down there is already doing to your fans:

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Old 02-19-2013, 09:24 AM   #6324
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:41 AM   #6325
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Yes everybody knows why they were added (cable subs).

Got nothin' to do w/ recruiting. Them 'n the ACC already rape that state yearly. Rutgers probably doesn't keep more than 1 or 2 of it's top players most years.

It's an awful football program. Makes Mizzou look like a blue blood by comparison and their hoops aren't any better. State of probably 8 or 9 million people and they generate so much local interest they play home games in a juco stadium. They actually managed to take their crap product and dilute it further with the Scarlet Knights and Maryland.
Rutgers has signed the last two 5 star recruits from the state of New Jersey. Big Ten schools have always recruited New Jersey hard. Iowa has lived in that state. Wisconsin got its Hesiman Trophy winner from there. Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan all recruit it. Quite a bit of talent comes from New Jersey. Big Ten starts playing there regularly and it will own it recruiting wise. Rutgers stadium is not a JUCO stadium. It seats 52k and was remodeled. Hell they just built the current stadium in 1994. Not to mention the Big Ten has been intrested in Rutgers for some time. They were on the expansion list with MU and KU back in the early 90s. Rutgers is now a solid program to where they came from, which was pretty close to K-State level. Its a solid additon to the Big Ten that makes sense for both parties at all levels.
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I referenced the last 50 years. If I said 3-9, that wouldn't have been correct before 2005. You see, the SEC bottom feeders (cough cough) have sucked for eons. It's not a new thing - nor will it ever change.
Mississippi State finished ranked 15th two seasons ago.

Kentucky just ended a streak of five straight years of bowl games. They won three in a row including wins over Florida State and Clemson.

Vanderbilt has been to consecutive bowls and is coming off a nine win season. They finished the season ranked in the top 20.

Those are the worst programs in the SEC. If you want to talk about 50 years ago, have fun. I wouldn't want to talk about the present if I were you, either.
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Ok, then Kansas won a BCS bowl and two other bowls the past 7 years. And has two AP top-10s the past 20 years. So Kansas > those schools. Back at ya.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:45 AM   #6330
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Mizzou was ranked ahead of multiple SEC teams in 2013 recruiting. W are also ahead of Oklahoma State, TCU, Kansas, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Iowa State.

Every team in the SEC was in the top 40. The Big 12 champion finished 56th. The highest rated Big 12 team finished 13th. SEVEN teams from the SEC finished above the top Big 12 team.

Can't compete in the SEC? Ole Miss has the #2 class in the country.

There are 33 5* players in the country. The SEC got 21 of them.

The SEC had 4 teams land multiple 5* players. The rest of the conferences combined had 1.

These players didn't all go to the traditional powers, either. 11 of them went to Mississippi, Mississippi State, Auburn, A&M, or Arkansas.

Being in the SEC doesn't automatically make you a "have", but it sure opens a lot of doors.
Which SEC teams were we ahead of, I don't see any?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/missouri/foo...k/2013/all/all

As for the Big XII we aren't in that league any longer. I'm concerned w/ how we stack up against the teams we compete w/ now. If we were playing OkSt, TCU, KU, Ist, etc I'd see you point. As we aren't it seems irrelevant.

Also, Auburn is a traditional power. They have gone undefeated 3 times in the past 20 years and of course won the NC in 2010. It's a top 25 program all time, probably top 20. Since 1976 no school outside the big six as won the SEC, w/ Aub being one of those schools along w/ Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee. They are by any measure, a traditional power.

Mississippi is roughly 35% black. Translation: talent and a lot of it. The state puts more players per capita into the NFL than darn near any other. At one time it was #1 per capita, but those rankings were several years ago in terms of what I saw, regardless it is very close to the top if it isn't still #1. Even being the doormats that the MS schools have been since the 60s when Ole Miss was good (more or less) and a brief spike for Miss St in the 90s having all of that in state talent is a huge advantage for them. Obviously they have a hard time taking advantage of it but it is something we do not have.

Outside of Arkansas and Kentucky I can't think of another state that doesn't have more h.s. football talent. And then of course in terms of winning and history and all that aTm, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, and Arkansas have all had more success.

Yes being in the SEC has it's +'s, but we aren't running with the Iowa State's of the world any longer. I don't know if you were paying attention but the Big XII's co conference champ got beat by 50 by the SEC's 4th best team.

Pinkel hiring family members and promoting lapdogs that can't recruit their weight ain't gonna cut it in the deep end swimming with the sharks. The point isn't that MU should quit trying. The point is that the odds are very long and if the school is going to be competitive it has to rethink the way it conducts business and go at more along the lines of how Arkansas is operating. IDK if Bielema will be successful or not but you take a look at the staff they just assembled and then compare that to what Pinkel did with opportunities to upgrade the staff once last year and again this year and then tell me with a straight face which is school is actually trying and which school is standing by watching its coach go through a mid life crisis as he drives our program back into the ground from which he to his credit did build it up.
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