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Old 02-19-2013, 11:34 AM  
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Tim Tebow supports gay-hating pastor

He's a douche.

Agreeing to speak at intolerant church is Tebow's greatest sin


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Tim Tebow is about to make the biggest mistake of his life.

Tebow has agreed to speak at a hateful Baptist preacher's church, an evangelical cretin named Robert Jeffress who does the work of the Lord sort of like Westboro Baptist in Topeka, Kan., does the work of the Lord.

Not at all.

Jeffress isn't as bad as Westboro. He doesn't send his flock to funerals of U.S. soldiers and have his sheep yell awful things like, "God hates pillowbiters." But he comes close. Too close. He believes, he has said, "It's a fact that [AIDS is] a gay disease so there's a reasonable reason to exclude gays from the military."

Jeffress is a bad guy. He says Jews and homosexuals are going to hell. He says the Catholic church is a satanic cult. He says Islam "is a religion that promotes pedophilia -- sex with children."

Mormons? They're going to hell, too, but Jeffress was willing to overlook that and promote Mitt Romney over Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election because Obama, Jeffress said, "is paving the way for the future reign of the Antichrist."

"I am not saying that President Obama is the Antichrist, I am not saying that at all," Jeffress said in November. "One reason I know he's not the Antichrist is the Antichrist is going to have much higher poll numbers when he comes."

Tim Tebow supports this man.

More than supports him, Tebow is going to throw his weight -- and it is considerable; we're talking about Tim Tebow for God's sake -- behind this preacher by speaking at his church in Dallas in April.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:25 PM   #16
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You're going to hell, but I'll pray for you.

How thoughtful of you
I'm not God, so? what is the problem there?
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:27 PM   #17
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I haven't heard many pastors say people are going to hell. They often say the only path to Heaven is through Christ, but I haven't heard many say you're going to hell, or discussing hell at all, really. I guess you could say they're implying it.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:40 PM   #18
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I would say stating GOD Hates group x is showing you don't have the love of Christ. Also of note Jews, Muslims, etc believe every other group is destined for hell as well.
Can't speak for the other groups, but Catholics don't.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:40 PM   #19
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He aligned himself with a divisive pastor? I guess that means he can still become President someday.

Oh my, that one is way out of here!
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:41 PM   #20
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I would say stating GOD Hates group x is showing you don't have the love of Christ. Also of note Jews, Muslims, etc believe every other group is destined for hell as well.
No, many other groups don't have a "hell." I believe Islam does. I'm pretty sure Hinduism doesn't. Judaism doesn't have it. Hell came along with Jesus.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:42 PM   #21
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I'm not God, so? what is the problem there?
You are acting as if your interpretation is superior to that of others, and patronizing others by saying you'll pray for them. It's arrogant.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:43 PM   #22
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I haven't heard many pastors say people are going to hell. They often say the only path to Heaven is through Christ, but I haven't heard many say you're going to hell, or discussing hell at all, really. I guess you could say they're implying it.
Yeah, just kinda.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:44 PM   #23
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That is actually biblical, The antichrist will be loved by most.
Yes, I'm familiar with the Christian storytelling version. I just found it humorous for someone to say "No, it can't be Obama. Too many people hate him."
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:50 PM   #24
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Yeah, just kinda.


They're all but explicitly stating it.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:51 PM   #25
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:52 PM   #26
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No, many other groups don't have a "hell." I believe Islam does. I'm pretty sure Hinduism doesn't. Judaism doesn't have it. Hell came along with Jesus.
Hell didn't really exist until the New Testament and the invention of resurrection. But many other religions have a place like Hell...

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Did the Bible "originally state" that there is a place like Hell? Depends on what you mean by "originally." In the Old Testament, there was no "place of eternal damnation." There was Sheol, where everybody--good or bad--went after they died. It was, according to the U.S. News article, "a gloomy underworld realm , a morally neutral place akin to the Hades of ancient Greek mythology."

Things got messier from there. When the Hebrew text was translated into Greek, "Sheol" was replaced by "Hades." Then, when evolving Jewish and Christian beliefs began to emphasize resurrection, Hades became a place where only the nasty folks went.

OK, so there were two different names for this place. Now let's introduce a third, Gehenna, which early Christian teaching said was a fiery hell to which the wicked would be sent after judgment. The root of the word refers to the Valley of Hinnom, a location "south of Jerusalem, where trash fires burned incessantly and where ancient human sacrifices had been offered to Canaanite gods." (U.S. News) The Book of Revelation took this a step further by saying those evil folks would be "thrown into a lake of fire."

So far, no mention of "Hell." That changed when the Bible was translated into English. Many versions render Sheol, Hades, and Gehenna as Hell. The New Testament also refers to "weeping and gnashing of teeth" and a place where the "worm never dies and the fire is never quenched," and things like that.

Many religions besides Christianity have their own versions of Hell. According to a U.S. News sidebar, Islam has a crater of fire, Hinduism has 21 hells to "burn away bad karma," and Buddhism has hells along the road to nirvana. Jainism has 8.4 million hells (damn!), and Taoism has a few too.

Getting back to your question, did the Bible "originally" mention a place of eternal damnation? No, if you mean "originally" as in the Old Testament. Yes, if you mean some versions of the New Testament. And theological interpretation could take it either way.

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Yeah, just kinda.
I know, how hateful of them.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:53 PM   #28
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I haven't heard many pastors say people are going to hell. They often say the only path to Heaven is through Christ, but I haven't heard many say you're going to hell, or discussing hell at all, really. I guess you could say they're implying it.
That's saying it. The implication is that everyone is always destined for hell. Being saved is the exception.
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