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Old 02-19-2013, 11:34 AM  
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Tim Tebow supports gay-hating pastor

He's a douche.

Agreeing to speak at intolerant church is Tebow's greatest sin


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Tim Tebow is about to make the biggest mistake of his life.

Tebow has agreed to speak at a hateful Baptist preacher's church, an evangelical cretin named Robert Jeffress who does the work of the Lord sort of like Westboro Baptist in Topeka, Kan., does the work of the Lord.

Not at all.

Jeffress isn't as bad as Westboro. He doesn't send his flock to funerals of U.S. soldiers and have his sheep yell awful things like, "God hates pillowbiters." But he comes close. Too close. He believes, he has said, "It's a fact that [AIDS is] a gay disease so there's a reasonable reason to exclude gays from the military."

Jeffress is a bad guy. He says Jews and homosexuals are going to hell. He says the Catholic church is a satanic cult. He says Islam "is a religion that promotes pedophilia -- sex with children."

Mormons? They're going to hell, too, but Jeffress was willing to overlook that and promote Mitt Romney over Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election because Obama, Jeffress said, "is paving the way for the future reign of the Antichrist."

"I am not saying that President Obama is the Antichrist, I am not saying that at all," Jeffress said in November. "One reason I know he's not the Antichrist is the Antichrist is going to have much higher poll numbers when he comes."

Tim Tebow supports this man.

More than supports him, Tebow is going to throw his weight -- and it is considerable; we're talking about Tim Tebow for God's sake -- behind this preacher by speaking at his church in Dallas in April.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:09 PM   #61
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I'm not agreeing with the preacher in any way. My point in all this was simply to point at that this "hateful" preacher isn't much different than the "not hateful" ones.

His view on Catholics might be a bit extreme, but I am talking about his basic message: If you don't believe in Jesus as savior, etc., you are going to hell. This is mainstream, traditional Christian belief. But it generally isn't criticized unless someone is caught on tape or actually quoted as saying, "Jews are going to hell." Then, it becomes a mini-controversy. But in fact, it is essentially said every Sunday morning across the country.
That's because a lot of people don't understand what they "believe" themselves, and non believers definitely don't understand.

The difference is in how the message is spread and people presenting themselves as wanting to help someone or do some good (i.e. keep them from going to hell or talking about the positives of God and Christianity) versus griping and fear-mongering (saying people will burn in Hell, opposing everything, etc)
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:11 PM   #62
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We all know the question isn't if but when Tim Tebow will enter politics.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:14 PM   #63
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Exactly. Tim will declare his candidacy, and MSNBC will immediately declare him a racist, homophobic bigot.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:18 PM   #64
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That's because a lot of people don't understand what they "believe" themselves, and non believers definitely don't understand.
I know people who claim to be devout Christians, but they maintain the "there are many paths to heaven" thing. Well, if they think one doesn't need to embrace Jesus to get there, are they truly Christian? I don't think that they know that they are SUPPOSED to believe one has to embrace Jesus to make the cut. Or maybe they are just trying to humor me and don't want to admit that they think I'm going to hell. In that case, I'm offended that they aren't trying to save me. Jerks.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:23 PM   #65
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I'm not agreeing with the preacher in any way. My point in all this was simply to point out that this "hateful" preacher isn't much different than the "not hateful" ones.

His view on Catholics might be a bit extreme, but I am talking about his basic message: If you don't believe in Jesus as savior, etc., you are going to hell. This is mainstream, traditional Christian belief. But it generally isn't criticized unless someone is caught on tape or actually quoted as saying, "Jews are going to hell." Then, it becomes a mini-controversy. But in fact, it is essentially said every Sunday morning across the country.
I've seen a lot of preachers do their thing, and there is a way to do it without saying, "You're going to Hell." I was raised Independent Southern Baptist. It's Evangelical Fundamentalist Christian. I attended the Boulevard Baptist Church in Richmond, Virgina with my grandparents. Our pastor was James Bond, a retired pro boxer. He preached and taught from the Bible using his personal understanding of (what he considered) the Word of God. He was very much a "fire and brimstone" preacher and yet was about as humble a man as you would ever meet. It was his way to teach that from our understanding it could be assumed that an unsaved sinner would go to Hell, but that you and I could never actually know another man's heart, that judgement of a man's soul was for God and God alone.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:37 PM   #66
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No, I found the terms I was looking for. Arrogance. Pride. Hatred. Check yourself versus your own sacred text, Christian.
Revelation 3:16

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16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:40 PM   #67
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Revelation 3:16

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16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Matthew 7:1-3

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7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:42 PM   #68
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I've seen a lot of preachers do their thing, and there is a way to do it without saying, "You're going to Hell." I was raised Independent Southern Baptist. It's Evangelical Fundamentalist Christian. I attended the Boulevard Baptist Church in Richmond, Virgina with my grandparents. Our pastor was James Bond, a retired pro boxer. He preached and taught from the Bible using his personal understanding of (what he considered) the Word of God. He was very much a "fire and brimstone" preacher and yet was about as humble a man as you would ever meet. It was his way to teach that from our understanding it could be assumed that an unsaved sinner would go to Hell, but that you and I could never actually know another man's heart, that judgement of a man's soul was for God and God alone.
Pastor 007--nice. So he just said, "They're going to hell" in a nice, gentle way. His delivery may have been more friendly, but the message was essentially the same.
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Matthew 7:1-3

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7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

I like this, more please.

We are allowed to point out where one might be headed due to iniquity. You would argue that a mass murderer shouldn't be told they are headed to hell?
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6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
I could never embrace any religion that is so anti-dog.
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Pastor 007--nice. So he just said, "They're going to hell" in a nice, gentle way. His delivery may have been more friendly, but the message was essentially the same.
Yeah, lol, there was a write up in the paper about him. He would joke around and put up his dukes and the kids loved the whole "Reverend 007" thing. He wouldn't say, "You're going to Hell." He would say, "I live this way because I want to go to Heaven and be with God. I believe that if I don't accept Christ as my personal savior then I am going to Hell. I want to teach you why I believe this way because Christ made a difference in my life and I want to share that incredible story with you. If you believe that you will go to Hell without Christ, I can show you how to live by His words."
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6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

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7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.



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We are allowed to point out where one might be headed due to iniquity. You would argue that a mass murderer shouldn't be told they are headed to hell?
If someone tells you that you are going to Hell they are either joking with you or bullshitting you, unless you believe that someone can know the mind of God.
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I know people who claim to be devout Christians, but they maintain the "there are many paths to heaven" thing. Well, if they think one doesn't need to embrace Jesus to get there, are they truly Christian? I don't think that they know that they are SUPPOSED to believe one has to embrace Jesus to make the cut. Or maybe they are just trying to humor me and don't want to admit that they think I'm going to hell. In that case, I'm offended that they aren't trying to save me. Jerks.
It's all ****ing bullshit.

People do what they want and try to justify it however they like.

"Oh, you don't need religion to know God!"

Bull ****ing shit, bitch. By centuries of tradition, you do, you're just changing the ****ing rules to suit yourself in the modern age.

Bunch of garbage.
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I don't understand what's so bad about Jeffress (or Tebow speaking at his church). I disagree with Jeffress on pretty much everything, but isn't it pretty common and understandable for someone from one religion to believe people from other religions aren't going to make it into heaven?
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