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Old 02-19-2013, 06:53 AM  
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Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

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You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders.

That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile?

The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round."

Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks.


But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position.

Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine.

Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated.

Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months.

Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round.

Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel.

No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o.

Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.

2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player.

3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round?



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Old 02-20-2013, 01:29 PM   #346
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:30 PM   #347
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Your opinion on anything to do with a QB that you have only seen the two worst games of the career of is one of two things:

Irrelevant
Ignorant.

If you want to be taken seriously in a conversation about Geno, take some time and watch some of the "every throw in each game" on YouTube because the two games you saw showed NONE OF HIS UPSIDE, whatsoever.

There are whole games on YouTube, Dane...not just "highlight clips"
Wanna be taken seriously?

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Old 02-20-2013, 01:30 PM   #348
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“Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks

I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:31 PM   #349
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He also said that what happens between now and the draft is THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
Wow, no kidding?

Isn't that what I've been saying since January? That this shit is all irrelevant until after the Combines?

Yet, I've been told that if the Chiefs need to wait until AFTER the Combines to make a decision, they're ****ing stupid and that some members would be DONE with the Chiefs?

Isn't that right?
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:32 PM   #350
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To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.


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Old 02-20-2013, 01:33 PM   #351
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“Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks

I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”
Yeah, which means that NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE.

Yet, all I read on CP is that if the decision HASN'T been made, Dorsey and Reid or morons.

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Old 02-20-2013, 01:33 PM   #352
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Over-drafting a QB in the first round doesn't make him worthy of being a first round QB.
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:35 PM   #353
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Wow, no kidding?

Isn't that what I've been saying since January? That this shit is all irrelevant until after the Combines?

Yet, I've been told that if the Chiefs need to wait until AFTER the Combines to make a decision, they're ****ing stupid and that some members would be DONE with the Chiefs?

Isn't that right?
Not at all. If you want "to be taken seriously" go spend some time getting informed about the discussion at hand. Your posts on this topic are ignorant.

Just watch the second half of Oklahoma...for starters, anyway.
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:35 PM   #354
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Yeah, which means that NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE.

Yet, all I read on CP is that if the decision HASN'T been made, Dorsey and Reid or morons.

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That's bullshit, and you know it.
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Not at all. If you want "to be taken seriously" go spend some time getting informed about the discussion at hand. Your posts on this topic are ignorant.

Just watch the second half of Oklahoma...for starters, anyway.
Seriously, I couldn't give a **** about being taken "seriously".

It's just ****ing insane that you find it important, especially at this point in the game.
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:40 PM   #356
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That's bullshit, and you know it.
That has most certainly been said.

Maybe not by you or Boss or Htis, but it's been said.

Such is the Geno hype machine around here.
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Not at all. If you want "to be taken seriously" go spend some time getting informed about the discussion at hand. Your posts on this topic are ignorant.

Just watch the second half of Oklahoma...for starters, anyway.
I'll tell you what: If the Chiefs select Smith at #1 overall, at that point, I'll make time to watch his games on YouTube.

But 10 weeks before the Draft, before the Combine, etc.? No way.
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first real chance we have to draft a QB in 30 years...


it just scares the shit out of some people
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:48 PM   #359
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first real chance we have to draft a QB in 30 years...


it just scares the shit out of some people
Come on, dude. We've been in position for several years now. The difference this year is that the #1 overall pick goes a long way to forcing an organization's hand.

This is the 4th top-5 pick for the Chiefs in the last 6 years, and some people still question the wisdom of drafting a legit QB.

Un****ingreal.
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i think its a damned conspiracy. God forbid the Chiefs be legit much less relevant. Just be that cute, competitive mid west team that never quite gets over the hump! **** me...
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