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Old 02-19-2013, 07:53 AM  
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Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

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You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders.

That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile?

The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round."

Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks.


But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position.

Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine.

Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated.

Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months.

Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round.

Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel.

No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o.

Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.

2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player.

3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round?



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Old 02-20-2013, 05:06 PM   #391
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Dane is gonna have to leave again after we draft Geno.

He faces monstrous backlash.
A monstrous backlash for what, exactly? Waiting for The Combines, waiting for free agency to begin and waiting to see who exactly the Chiefs draft?

JFC. Never ONCE have I said that Geno Smith shouldn't be the choice. I've chosen to WAIT before making any determination until AFTER the Combines.

****ing moron.
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:06 PM   #392
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LOL, WUT?

Hey, I get it. You want the Chiefs to draft a quarterback. So do I.

But don't destroy your own credibility with statements like that.
Its called 43 years of beating your head against the wall. Doing the same thing, OVER and OVER again expecting different results.

The strange thing is, the results keep coming out the same!

I say that about Stanzi, because it has been proven that the ownership doesn't feel the fans will allow a drafted QB to develop. They want wins now!
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:08 PM   #393
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Look in the mirror, at what?

So, because I don't have the time, patience or energy to watch a bunch of ****ing videos on YouTube, I'm not allowed to comment on the nonsense that's been flying around here for months before The Combines?

Really? So I was right: You guys should just PM each other because clearly, only those people who've watched every snap should comment on this obsession.

Gotcha.
Tell us again how you ascertained that all those prospects were better than Geno...after watching 2 games.

Don't come in here all high and mighty with an extremely poor understanding of the details involved in the discussion and then expect it to be ok with talking down to anyone that has more info than you.
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:09 PM   #394
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Tell us again how you ascertained that all those prospects were better than Geno...after watching 2 games.
Which prospects?

Oh and BTW, those were probably his most important games of the season, no?

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Old 02-20-2013, 05:10 PM   #395
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It's absolutely hilarious watching you guys go at it with Dane as if you've never interacted with him before.
Just keep hitting him with a logical side of the argument....I'm sure he'll see your side of it....
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:12 PM   #396
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No, what's truly ridiculous is that when the so-called "National Media" has a negative opinion of the Chiefs, the forum says that they suck, King sucks, Prisco sucks, Florio sucks, Whitlock sucks, etc.

Yet, when the national media agrees with the opinion of Chiefsplanet, suddenly, those pundits are okay.

It's laughable.
Nooooooooo. People don't change ships based on support? FFS, everyone does that, including you. If you agree with what someone's saying and they have a national platform, you use the ol' "appeal to authority" approach. If they're a national guy that doesn't agree with you, then yeah - you bitch about their lack of knowledge. Otherwise what are you going to do, just sit around nodding or shaking your head all day? People are going to try to validate their opinions - that's why they bother having them.

And you're also taking the BS approach of referring to Chiefsplanet as a collective. There are literally thousands of divergent opinions on this board. There's no such thing as "The opinion of Chiefsplanet".

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And no, I'm not going to sit around and waste my time watching shitty YouTube clips of a QB that may or may not be selected by the Chiefs in late April.
Yet you'll still condescend like a mother****er to people that have bothered to become a hell of a lot more educated and informed on the subject than you. Well that certainly makes sense.

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Ha! So, since my opinion is to be cautious and point out the ridiculous flaws in people's thinking, I'm not welcome?

Maybe I should just stay up all night and watch YouTube clips, just so I can join your club. That sounds like fun.
God love the "living in your mom's basement" approach. No, you're not un-welcomed because of a cautious approach. You're presently not welcome because you're a gleefully uninformed contrarian that can't seem to engage in any form of discourse without being a belligerent prick.

It's nothing personal, but being an ignorant, angry jackass is pretty much the BlackBob/SkipTowne method of operation and no, nobody's a real big fan of that form of 'debate'.

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Contribute or leave? What the ****? You're the same ****ing guy that lobbied for Dana Holgersen and told me that Javon Belcher was an above average ILB, yet I should leave?

Yeah, no.
I'm not telling you how to spend your time, but if all you're going to do is sit around and shout at the darkness, I'm not sure what keeps you here. Afterall, you're too busy to bother learning about any of these guys so why are you wasting your time sitting around scolding those that did.

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You know what's truly tiresome? Reading the same bullshit from the same exact people in every thread for months on end.

THAT'S tiresome.
Then don't.

At this point you're just a cranky toddler sitting in the middle of the floor yelling about how everything is terrible. When complaints aren't supported by suggestions or substance, they're just crybaby bitching.

Which is about all you're good for these days.
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Look in the mirror, at what?

So, because I don't have the time, patience or energy to watch a bunch of ****ing videos on YouTube, I'm not allowed to comment on the nonsense that's been flying around here for months before The Combines?

Really? So I was right: You guys should just PM each other because clearly, only those people who've watched every snap should comment on this obsession.

Gotcha.
You're right.

Everyone that doesn't agree with taking Geno at 1.1 is presently being excoriated for being sanctimonious prick.

It's everyone else, Dane. It's never you.

Gotcha.
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:19 PM   #400
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Actually, no.

Regardless, it's gone far beyond that. I've seen how the Smith lovers have treated people that have more patience and want to see the process play out before anointing him as the #1 overall pick and savior of the franchise.

This obsession with Smith is eerily reminiscent of the Clausen debacle, at least IMO.
The Smith lovers, as you call them, have been under attack since early October.

They give back only what they have gotten.

Get over it.
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:20 PM   #401
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Is that what I said, you ****ing piece of garbage?

YOU didn't specify "Prospect". Did you? No.

So, shut the **** up.
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The Smith lovers, as you call them, have been under attack since early October.

They give back only what they have gotten.


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Get over it.
Nah, I think I won't, at least for now.
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:21 PM   #403
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Riiiight.

So, next year, I should make special note to watch EVERY college game so that I can make comments beginning next January about college players that *MIGHT* appeal to YOU.

Go **** youself, Douchebag.
I don't make a special note to watch a lot of college football, I just do.

It's got nothing to do with scouting players. I just happen to have watch A LOT of these guys play, and play A LOT.

So why don't you stick to something you actually know something about...oh wait, according to you, that's literally everything.
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:21 PM   #404
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It's absolutely hilarious watching you guys go at it with Dane as if you've never interacted with him before.
Just keep hitting him with a logical side of the argument....I'm sure he'll see your side of it....
Would you care to identify the "logical side"?
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:22 PM   #405
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Is that what I said, you ****ing piece of garbage?

YOU didn't specify "Prospect". Did you? No.

So, shut the **** up.
No, he said "coming out of college".

Only the most obstinate, self-righteous asshole would try to make that into anything other than what it is:

COMING OUT OF COLLEGE

But go ahead and try to twist every last letter in the English language in and effort to prove your point.

Every time you do it, it just proves mine - that you're a GIANT ****ING DOUCHE.
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