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Old 10-27-2012, 08:53 PM  
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Official 2012-2013 NBA Thread

Looks like James Harden has been To the Rockets for Jeremey Lamb, Kevin Martin and future picks. Plus... this is a general NBA thread.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:43 AM   #2026
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the Rockets dont know how to use them, they just have 1-3 that constantly shoot.

their shooting efficiency is terrible, but they keep shooting hot or cold. Lin, Harden and Parsons have terrible numbers but a high volume of shots, and Asik just stands under the basket to get his 10 boards a night because of it.

They are a poor mans Golden State.
James Harden has been the third best offensive player in the NBA this year (Offensive Win Shares). In addition, James Harden's offensive rating of 117.0 is 14th in the league (and among players with a usage rate as high as his, 3rd in the league).

Lin and Parson's efficiency may not be very good, but please don't list them with Harden like that or even make the suggestion that Harden has "terrible numbers." If he has bad offensive numbers, so does the entire league outside of LeBron and Durant.

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Old 02-22-2013, 01:45 AM   #2027
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If you want to really watch a guy with a high volume of shots and a low offensive efficiency, look no further than Rudy Gay.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:26 AM   #2028
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If you want to really watch a guy with a high volume of shots and a low offensive efficiency, look no further than Rudy Gay.
No shit. Probably the most overrated player in the league.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:28 AM   #2029
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Lol I meant imagine. And yes I know they were together, but hes stepped up his game a little more this year.
He was every bit as good last year he just wasn't asked to do as much as he is now. Like I said he out grew the role. I think part of the reason the move was made was he wanted a bigger role, and I'm not blaming him. Obviously, he deserves it.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:38 AM   #2030
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It's fairly amusing how Thunder fans have bought so heavily into trading Harden and it not being a negative.
Like I said, I would have liked to have kept Harden. However, Martin is matching his production, and they will be a deeper team going forward. Maybe they have a better with Harden this year, but he didn't make the difference against the only team that kept them from a title last year, so why would he this year? Unless they used the roster differently he wouldn't. Believe me when I say that would not happen. Scott Brooks is a creature of habit. I find it amusing that people are so simplistic that they think Harden would be putting up the same numbers he's putting up in Houston, and Thunder would be beating everyone by 20 points a game of they had Harden. Harden was just as good last year, but he's now the man.This isn't fantasy basketball, there is only one ball.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:43 AM   #2031
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BTW I'm not sure it's a positive or a negative. No one can really answer that question for a few more years.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:47 AM   #2032
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Yeah, but I just think Harden has the killer instinct the Thunder need in the playoffs especially.
Harden absolutely killed the Spurs during the playoffs last year. He reminded me of Ginobli or Robert Horry. I think the Thunder will miss that "assassin" type of player in the playoffs this year.
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:33 PM   #2033
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Or the Thunder can take the money owed to Harden and help keep the rest of the positions stacked and let Durant and Westbrook run things.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:36 PM   #2034
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James Harden has been the third best offensive player in the NBA this year (Offensive Win Shares). In addition, James Harden's offensive rating of 117.0 is 14th in the league (and among players with a usage rate as high as his, 3rd in the league).

Lin and Parson's efficiency may not be very good, but please don't list them with Harden like that or even make the suggestion that Harden has "terrible numbers." If he has bad offensive numbers, so does the entire league outside of LeBron and Durant.
but like someone said, they gave up four guys that makeup Harden's win share and overpaid for Lin and Asik on offer sheet matches so the other teams couldnt out bid Houston.

so they are in the EXACT same position seed wise as they were last year, just with different players. If you are going by the win share stat, and its very accurate because they are hovering around the 7th or 8th seed.
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:48 PM   #2035
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but like someone said, they gave up four guys that makeup Harden's win share and overpaid for Lin and Asik on offer sheet matches so the other teams couldnt out bid Houston.

so they are in the EXACT same position seed wise as they were last year, just with different players. If you are going by the win share stat, and its very accurate because they are hovering around the 7th or 8th seed.
I'm not talking about how good they are as a team. They're not that good (although they're better than I thought they'd be simply by virtue of Harden's greatness this year). I'm talking about Harden being an exceptional offensive player. The pieces around him...not so good at all at the moment.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:42 PM   #2037
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I think the real question about Harden isn't whether they should have kept him as the third wheel. The question is : should they have dealt Westbrook instead? I'm still not sure who I'd rather have, but Harden is making it a very difficult decision.
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I think the real question about Harden isn't whether they should have kept him as the third wheel. The question is : should they have dealt Westbrook instead? I'm still not sure who I'd rather have, but Harden is making it a very difficult decision.
No. I'd much rather have Westbrook.
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