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Old 02-22-2013, 07:37 AM  
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Poilian says no QB worthy of #1. Chiefs can find one later





Former Colts GM Polian says Chiefs can find a QB in the draft

— In Bill Polian’s long career as an NFL general manager, his team had the number-one pick in the draft just once. That was in 1998, when he was with Indianapolis, and the Colts that year selected a quarterback, Peyton Manning.


That worked out well for Polian and the Colts. But Polian said he doesn’t think the Chiefs should draft a quarterback with this year’s first pick, even though they would like an upgrade over Matt Cassel. Like many assessing this year’s draft, Polian said there’s not a quarterback worthy of being the number-one selection.

“Just because there’s not a quarterback that everybody now doesn’t think is worth the number-one pick doesn’t mean you can’t get a quarterback,” Polian said. “Nobody thought Russell Wilson was worth a third-round pick except a couple of us. He turned out to be a pretty good quarterback.

“You always go for the best player. It’s foolish to go for need and (Chiefs coach Andy Reid) won’t do that.”

While Reid coached in Philadelphia, the Eagles at least a couple of times found quarterbacks after the first round who eventually became starters, including Kevin Kolb and Nick Foles.

“Nobody develops quarterbacks better than Andy Reid,” Polian said. “So rest assured, you’ve got the right guy. Whatever decision he makes will be the right one. He’ll find a quarterback. It doesn’t need to be the first guy in the draft.”
Other than to stay away from quarterbacks, Polian had no advice for the Chiefs with the first pick.

“Ask Andy,” he said. “They know their personnel far better than I do and they know what they need.”



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Old 02-22-2013, 09:39 AM   #91
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“Just because there’s not a quarterback that everybody now doesn’t think is worth the number-one pick doesn’t mean you can’t get a quarterback,” Polian said. “Nobody thought Russell Wilson was worth a third-round pick except a couple of us. He turned out to be a pretty good quarterback.


sooo... are all these gms and coaches going to toot their own horn about knowing that russel wilson was going to be awesome?

If they were so high on him they would have ****ing picked him before the 3rd.

These ass hats just like to talk themselves up.

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Old 02-22-2013, 09:40 AM   #92
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A QB guru is someone who develops ELITE QBs.

If you think Kevin Kolb is an elite QB, I don't know what to tell you. That's just stupid.
I completely disagree with your definition of a QB guru then. Jim Mora must be a QB guru because he devleoped Peyton Manning, right? And Jim Caldwell has now had success with Peyton Manning AND Joe Flacco, so he must be a QB guru. And Tom Coughlin developed Eli so he's a guru.

The fact of the matter is that several coaches have been lucky to have certain QBs land in their laps. I do not think Kolb is anywhere near elite, but he made Kolb into a solid quarterback that played well within his system. That's what a QB guru does, he gets good play from the QB position. Andy Reid has consistently had that during his head coaching tenure.

Serious question: If Andy Reid doesn't qualify, who are the quarterback gurus in this league?
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:41 AM   #93
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Eh. Then that would mean there's an extremely small number of QB gurus in the league. I mean, how many guys have developed multiple elite QBs?
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Exactly. I'm done arguing the semantics of a "QB guru". If htismaqe wants to be the owner of the definition, fine. And if that means only guys who have developed "ELITE" (another stupid, semantic term) quarterbacks, cool. I cave.

Plain and simple though, Andy Reid works well with quarterbacks.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:41 AM   #94
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:42 AM   #95
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Exactly. I'm done arguing the semantics of a "QB guru". If htismaqe wants to be the owner of the definition fine.

Plain and simple though, Andy Reid works well with quarterbacks.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:44 AM   #96
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I completely disagree with your definition of a QB guru then. Jim Mora must be a QB guru because he devleoped Peyton Manning, right? And Jim Caldwell has now had success with Peyton Manning AND Joe Flacco, so he must be a QB guru. And Tom Coughlin developed Eli so he's a guru.
None of those guys needed developing so all of those names are completely irrelevant.

I'm not even gonna respond to the rest of it. It's not worth arguing about because neither of us is going to change our mind.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:44 AM   #97
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Kevin "well he's better than Cassel" Kolb.

This fanbase is AMAZING.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:48 AM   #98
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To say Reid found 2 starting QBs after the 1st round is pretty ignorant, IMO.

Kolb has been a massive flameout as a starter, and Foles has not at all proven to be an NFL starter, despite that he started in place of a flailing Mike Vick.

Certainly quality starting QBs can be found outside the 1st, but their example is a poor one (or two).

If we don't take QB #1, I do believe we are gonna have to trade back into the low 20s to get Wilson, Barkley, or whomever they do like. Best I see falling to #34 is Nassib, and I'm not real impressed.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:49 AM   #99
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Here's the rub: While there may not be a QB that is head and shoulders above the other QBs in this draft class, there really isn't a player at any position that is head and shoulders the other players. If they are all the same, then pick your damn QB with the #1 pick. The only player that would make me change my mind about drafting a QB with the #1 pick isn't even eligible for the draft: Jadaveon Clowney.

If he somehow challenged the three year rule and won, then, and only then, would I say draft the best player who isn't a QB.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:49 AM   #100
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Kevin "well he's better than Cassel" Kolb.

This fanbase is AMAZING.
Hell, they are damn near the same guy.

They are with a percentage point of each other in career completion and QBR.

Cassel DESTROYS Kolb on TD:INT ratio, however.

1.44:1 for Cassel.

1.12:1 for Kolb.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:49 AM   #101
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Kevin "well he's better than Cassel" Kolb.

This fanbase is AMAZING.
My you're awfully trolly today. Not once did I ever say the Chiefs should bring in Kevin Kolb. I didn't even suggest it, and the thought has never crossed my head.

I simply told you that Andy Reid's quarterbacks have played well within his system. And now you're trying to deflect by putting words in my mouth.

If you don't want to call Reid a QB guru, fine.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:49 AM   #102
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peyton manning developed himself no other coach if anything his father developed him.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:49 AM   #103
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poor Reid. Damn if does, damn if he doesn't
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:52 AM   #104
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What a bunch of you are forgetting he was the qb coach at green bay

He developed

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I see Reid like a not-crazy version of Mike Martz.

Several QBs under Martz had at least some kind of success (Bulger and Green for example). But Warner was the only real success story.
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