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Old 02-22-2013, 09:57 AM  
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Matt Barkley interview

Barkley really handled himself well with the media interview on ESPN. The kid has a good head on his shoulders and claims that he is 100% on track to a full recovery. He even projects himself to play better than before because of all the scapula exercises he's been doing. Claimed to be a "Master of the Offense." I wouldn't be disappointed if we picked this kid.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:39 AM   #31
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Cmon dude. Im not saying hes Flacco or Rodgers but youre making a very subjective statement. His arm "strength" is probably better than Andrew Luck but that didnt stop people from drooling all over him. I get that you could say its not an 'asset' but to say that it might be a liability is just wrong.
Of course I am - care to tell me how I can make an 'objective' statement regarding arm strength? It ain't madden - there's not an 'ARM' rating for him I can just go look up.

But I've seen him throw - his arm is average on its best day. It's not better than Matt Schaubs and do you ever list arm strength as being one of Schaub's strengths?

You're seeing what you want to see here. His arm is just an average arm. By definition, that's not an asset - it's just not a liability.

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Wait...I just re-read. His arm strength is better than Andrew Lucks?

Yeah, I'm done having this conversation with you. You clearly have no goddamn clue what you're talking about.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:40 AM   #32
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ummm ... no
One of many scouting reports of Luck from last year:

Weaknesses

Doesn't have the quickest release - displays a slight hitch and tends to pat the ball, which can give away his intentions

Arm strength, while adequate, isn't going to blow anyone away

It isn't his fault there is so much hype around him, but it is tough to imagine Luck living up to all of the expectations (some prognosticators have already labeled him a Hall of Famer)


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Old 02-22-2013, 10:42 AM   #33
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He'll have his day to prove to the professional scouts what throws he can or can't make and where he needs work on his mechanics. The kid has to mentally overcome the USC QB curse and an injury. If he has the drive and motivation to overcome those to prove he is better and does well then he has the makings to be a fine QB. I want an accurate QB that can spread the field and make all the intermediate throws and stretch the field on occasion. He will be heavily scrutinized over the coming weeks.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:42 AM   #34
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One of many scouting reports of Luck from last year:

Weaknesses

Doesn't have the quickest release - displays a slight hitch and tends to pat the ball, which can give away his intentions

Arm strength, while adequate, isn't going to blow anyone away

It isn't his fault there is so much hype around him, but it is tough to imagine Luck living up to all of the expectations (some prognosticators have already labeled him a Hall of Famer)


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Never said Luck has a huge arm

but he has a natural arm ... he doesn't have to 'load up' which is the important part of arm strength. imo.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:44 AM   #35
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ummm ... no
Fantastic counterpoint. I'm convinced.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:44 AM   #36
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should I post the many "subjective" analysis of Lucks weak arm strength?

Luck has many, many strengths and obviously much more of a sure thing than Barkley, but to say his arm strength is that much better is wrong
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:46 AM   #37
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Andrew Lucks arm strength isn't Matt Stafford's or Jay Cutlers.

It is, however, well above average.

Matt Barkley's isn't. And that's exactly my point.

There's elite arm strength - the Stafford/Kaepernick/Cutler/Rodgers group.
There's good arm strength - all those people you claimed you could compare Barkely to - Eli, Brady, Luck, Romo
Then there are guys that have average arm strength that they have to work around - Peyton is the cream of that crop, then there's guys like Schaub and Rivers.

None of those guys list 'arm strength' as among their assets. They simply don't have it listed as a liability.

That's Matt Barkley's absolute best case scenario. And seeing as how he's had surgery on his throwing shoulder, yeah, it's fair for me to say "at best" because none of us have seen him throw a football since that damage was done.

You're just completely wrong here.
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Andrew Lucks arm strength isn't Matt Stafford's or Jay Cutlers.

It is, however, well above average.

Matt Barkley's isn't. And that's exactly my point.

There's elite arm strength - the Stafford/Kaepernick/Cutler/Rodgers group.
There's good arm strength - all those people you claimed you could compare Barkely to - Eli, Brady, Luck, Romo
Then there are guys that have average arm strength that they have to work around - Peyton is the cream of that crop, then there's guys like Schaub and Rivers.

None of those guys list 'arm strength' as among their assets. They simply don't have it listed as a liability.

That's Matt Barkley's absolute best case scenario. And seeing as how he's had surgery on his throwing shoulder, yeah, it's fair for me to say "at best" because none of us have seen him throw a football since that damage was done.

You're just completely wrong here.
Drew Brees had surgery and probably has had a better arm since. Every case is unique so I can understand the worry. We'll see in the next few days.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:50 AM   #40
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Drew Brees had surgery and probably has had a better arm since. Every case is unique so I can understand the worry. We'll see in the next few days.
Actually we won't.

Barkley isn't throwing until his pro-day at the end of March.
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Actually we won't.

Barkley isn't throwing until his pro-day at the end of March.
Oh. Ok then. Well thats cool, more time to heal and put to bed all the haters.
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Drew Brees had surgery and probably has had a better arm since. Every case is unique so I can understand the worry. We'll see in the next few days.
Jesus, the next time you start an argument based on an accurate premise will be the first.

No, Brees doesn't have a stronger arm than he had before he tore his damn rotator cuff. He did come all the way back from it, but he certainly didn't end up with a stronger one.
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Peyton used to have above average arm strength. People who said he didn't are morons. In Indy pre-neck his arm was definitely good.

I never understood people who said otherwise. What were they watching?

Romo: Romo has a quick release, a plus arm, and great pocket awareness. This is why I said once upon a time he was hall of fame bound. Wish he'd learn to stop throwing that disaster pick which has held him back.
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Peyton used to have above average arm strength. People who said he didn't are morons. In Indy pre-neck his arm was definitely good.

I never understood people who said otherwise. What were they watching?

Romo: Romo has a quick release, a plus arm, and great pocket awareness. This is why I said once upon a time he was hall of fame bound. Wish he'd learn to stop throwing that disaster pick which has held him back.
Oh I agree, Peyton used to have a very good arm.

He doesn't now. He's also a bit of an outlier because he's a damn quarterbacking robot. But the present model of Peyton Manning is proof that Barkely, if he were to become a quarterbacking robot, could be an oustanding passer.

But you still have to go into this process with both eyes wide open - the questions on Matt Barkley's arm strength are not overblown. He doesn't have a good arm. He has an average arm and that's worth pointing out.

It's no different than the folks that are trying to argue that Geno can have elite arm strength if he doesn't fix his feet - no he can't. He won't. He'll have slightly better than average arm strength if he doesn't fix his feet. That concern isn't overblown either - it is what it is.

I'm with you on Romo as well - I love that guy. That's why when I compare Wilson to him, I'm actually trying to compliment him. Wilson isn't that good yet and he's probably never going to be that mobile, but he's an aggressive downfield passer with a good arm, a good release who's tough as nails and will play through pain. But like Romo, Wilson goes turnover crazy with his decisionmaking and sometimes loses his mechanics and his release point so he gets erratic with his passing.
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Jesus, the next time you start an argument based on an accurate premise will be the first.

No, Brees doesn't have a stronger arm than he had before he tore his damn rotator cuff. He did come all the way back from it, but he certainly didn't end up with a stronger one.
Brees was also considered a "weak" armed quaterback coming out of college. A lot of that could be attributed just to his size but nonetheless, question marks about his arm were there before his draft.

Now hes probably considered to be just outside of your "elite" level. So something had to happen in between college and now.

Its not completely uncommon in pro athletes. Pitchers have been known to have a "stronger" arm after surgery e.g. Smoltz, Hoffman...
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