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Old 02-22-2013, 01:53 PM  
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:31 PM   #16
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I thought he was projected to go top 5 or 10 last year if he would have come out? Why did he fall?
did you not watch any college football the last 6 months?
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:35 PM   #17
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I thought he was projected to go top 5 or 10 last year if he would have come out? Why did he fall?
He was a potential #1.

USC was overrated to begin the season, and became a hot mess.

I blame that ****tard Kiffin.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:36 PM   #18
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This is probably true.

Manuel's not a good fit for Reid's system as we know it. That said, the way he tweaked it for Vick (use your legs to create space downfield - bombs away) could certainly fit EJ.

We'd need to do a lot of work on the WR corp, though. Bowe is a good start, but we'd need a Harvin or Maclin to spread defenses downfield.

The simplest, safest answers are Geno, Barkley, Wilson (in that order, IMO); but an extremely ballsy alternative would be trading down with Philly, picking up another freak of nature like Floyd to play alongside Poe and grabbing Manuel.

I don't have the cajones to try it because that's the kind of boom/bust draft that could get you fired, but if it all worked out, it could be !@#$ing unbelievable.
Well, you could get a good start on that at WR in this draft, few pretty good burners and Floyd is absolutely a monster. Hell, some have advocated for taking Richardson at 1, but there is no way I'd do that.

In that situation, who would Philly be trading up for?
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:38 PM   #19
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Well, you could get a good start on that at WR in this draft, few pretty good burners and Floyd is absolutely a monster. Hell, some have advocated for taking Richardson at 1, but there is no way I'd do that.

In that situation, who would Philly be trading up for?
Philly would be trading up for Geno Smith
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:39 PM   #20
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Another thing to think about, ie the trade back into the first scenario. I'd say teams have a pretty good idea that we have a shithole crater at Qb and are going to be looking for one in the draft.


Passing on one at 1 and hoping to trade back into the first if a run on QB's happen is a recipe for getting ass raped on a trade back up. Teams will know we are desperate to get back up to that spot to get our guy, could end up costing more than we thought.

With this draft having alot of depth at spots we need, could backfire.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:40 PM   #21
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I know it's illogical, I really know that. But I just am sick at having another #7 USC quarterback named Matt.

I KNOW IT'S ILLOGICAL.
I know what you're saying, and this is exactly why he's not a popular prospect with Chiefs fans. It doesn't make sense, but then again it does in some ways.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:43 PM   #22
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Well, you could get a good start on that at WR in this draft, few pretty good burners and Floyd is absolutely a monster. Hell, some have advocated for taking Richardson at 1, but there is no way I'd do that.

In that situation, who would Philly be trading up for?
Geno.

Guys talked about that Giants pass-rush in hushed tones last season, but if the Chiefs had Sharrif Floyd and Dontari Poe pushing as 1-gaps and Houston/Hali attacking...damn, that would be filthy.

But it would all likely be for naught if you Manuel couldn't do the job (oh, and Floyd is a pretty raw prospect in his own right).

It's just interesting to think about. It's probably not smart, but you can only say "Draft Geno" so many time before you start looking for other stuff to talk about...
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:43 PM   #23
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Another thing to think about, ie the trade back into the first scenario. I'd say teams have a pretty good idea that we have a shithole crater at Qb and are going to be looking for one in the draft.


Passing on one at 1 and hoping to trade back into the first if a run on QB's happen is a recipe for getting ass raped on a trade back up. Teams will know we are desperate to get back up to that spot to get our guy, could end up costing more than we thought.

With this draft having alot of depth at spots we need, could backfire.
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tangibles, physical skill set...it's all there. Not going to be surprised at all if he's the Chiefs QB this fall.
Uh I don't know about ALL the physical skill sets. His arm is only average IMO but I can admit it's not everything. Although a huge plus.

Other then that, yeah he has a lot of what you're looking for.
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Geno.

Guys talked about that Giants pass-rush in hushed tones last season, but if the Chiefs had Sharrif Floyd and Dontari Poe pushing as 1-gaps and Houston/Hali attacking...damn, that would be filthy.

But it would all likely be for naught if you Manuel couldn't do the job (oh, and Floyd is a pretty raw prospect in his own right).

It's just interesting to think about. It's probably not smart, but you can only say "Draft Geno" so many time before you start looking for other stuff to talk about...
I'll admit, after whats gone down in the past few years, I'm pretty jaded on taking a DL that early. I would much much rather get one of those guys in free agency or later in the draft. There are actually some interesting guys in free agency DL wise.

I know Floyd has alot of upside etc, but it is what it is.
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Its a risk I would be willing to take if Clowney was sitting there at 1. Without blinking actually.
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Another thing to think about, ie the trade back into the first scenario. I'd say teams have a pretty good idea that we have a shithole crater at Qb and are going to be looking for one in the draft.


Passing on one at 1 and hoping to trade back into the first if a run on QB's happen is a recipe for getting ass raped on a trade back up. Teams will know we are desperate to get back up to that spot to get our guy, could end up costing more than we thought.

With this draft having alot of depth at spots we need, could backfire.
No question.

It could go really poorly.

Like I said, I don't think I'd have the juevos to try it, but it's an intriguing thought. What if you could get the Eagles to send Foles and Maclin as the trade down? No picks, just Foles and Maclin. You get your WR for the deep game, you get your 'fallback' QB in Foles and you don't have to worry quite as badly about getting raped in a tradeup for Manuel; either he falls to you or he doesn't. Worst case scenario is you have a different strong-armed passer in Foles to roll with. Best case is you end up with two aggressive downfield passers, a WR that helps you make that offense go and 2 of the most impressive physical specimens in the league on the same D-Line.
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No question.

It could go really poorly.

Like I said, I don't think I'd have the juevos to try it, but it's an intriguing thought. What if you could get the Eagles to send Foles and Maclin as the trade down? No picks, just Foles and Maclin. You get your WR for the deep game, you get your 'fallback' QB in Foles and you don't have to worry quite as badly about getting raped in a tradeup for Manuel; either he falls to you or he doesn't. Worst case scenario is you have a different strong-armed passer in Foles to roll with. Best case is you end up with two aggressive downfield passers, a WR that helps you make that offense go and 2 of the most impressive physical specimens in the league on the same D-Line.
Thats a different situation all together then. I don't think they would ever do that, but yeah, I'd probably take my chances there.

I could potentially come out of the first 2 picks with Floyd, Foles, Maclin and Manuel? Yeah, I'd pull that trigger.


Although, I think if they make the move for Foles, they probably wouldn't look at another QB that early.
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No question.

It could go really poorly.

Like I said, I don't think I'd have the juevos to try it, but it's an intriguing thought. What if you could get the Eagles to send Foles and Maclin as the trade down? No picks, just Foles and Maclin. You get your WR for the deep game, you get your 'fallback' QB in Foles and you don't have to worry quite as badly about getting raped in a tradeup for Manuel; either he falls to you or he doesn't. Worst case scenario is you have a different strong-armed passer in Foles to roll with. Best case is you end up with two aggressive downfield passers, a WR that helps you make that offense go and 2 of the most impressive physical specimens in the league on the same D-Line.
That would definitely be interesting.
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Problem with Foles is that we've seen that he isn't a very good down field passer to this point.
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