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Old 02-22-2013, 01:53 PM  
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:55 PM   #31
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Thats a different situation all together then. I don't think they would ever do that, but yeah, I'd probably take my chances there.

I could potentially come out of the first 2 picks with Floyd, Foles, Maclin and Manuel? Yeah, I'd pull that trigger.


Although, I think if they make the move for Foles, they probably wouldn't look at another QB that early.
If Chip Kelly likes Geno, I think he'd gladly surrender 1 year of Maclin and a 4th round QB with limited mobility for him.

Granted, it depends on the Eagles really liking Geno (and the Raiders not taking Floyd at #3), but it sure seems feasible to me.

Easiest route would be to take Geno at 1.1 and if the Eagles like him enough to come to us, and Floyd is still at 4, you have 15 minutes (IIRC) to get the deal done.

And suddenly we've had the most interesting draft the team has ever had, IMO.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:56 PM   #32
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Problem with Foles is that we've seen that he isn't a very good down field passer to this point.
The good news is that Bowe and Maclin are both outstanding at adjusting to the ball in the air and going to get it.

DeSean Jackson isn't, but Bowe and Maclin have the strength and body control to take some of the rough edges off Foles if Foles can just learn to make balls catchable, if not balls-on.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:58 PM   #33
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If Chip Kelly likes Geno, I think he'd gladly surrender 1 year of Maclin and a 4th round QB with limited mobility for him.

Granted, it depends on the Eagles really liking Geno (and the Raiders not taking Floyd at #3), but it sure seems feasible to me.

Easiest route would be to take Geno at 1.1 and if the Eagles like him enough to come to us, and Floyd is still at 4, you have 15 minutes (IIRC) to get the deal done.

And suddenly we've had the most interesting draft the team has ever had, IMO.
Yep.


Although I gotta say, I'd be extremely disappointed if we took a QB at 1, then traded him away. Would be fitting for the Chiefs fans though.

TBH, if I'm the Chiefs knowing how QB needy I am and another team is willing to trade up for a QB, I probably re think my eval on said QB.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:59 PM   #34
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No question.

It could go really poorly.

Like I said, I don't think I'd have the juevos to try it, but it's an intriguing thought. What if you could get the Eagles to send Foles and Maclin as the trade down? No picks, just Foles and Maclin. You get your WR for the deep game, you get your 'fallback' QB in Foles and you don't have to worry quite as badly about getting raped in a tradeup for Manuel; either he falls to you or he doesn't. Worst case scenario is you have a different strong-armed passer in Foles to roll with. Best case is you end up with two aggressive downfield passers, a WR that helps you make that offense go and 2 of the most impressive physical specimens in the league on the same D-Line.
Yeah, and the problem is that you end up with Manuel in that situation.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:59 PM   #35
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fans on this board would not be able to handle having the QB they wanted and then seeing a pick swap 3 picks later
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Old 02-22-2013, 03:00 PM   #36
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fans on this board would not be able to handle having the QB they wanted and then seeing a pick swap 3 picks later
Pretty sure that would be the death blow for some.
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Old 02-22-2013, 03:04 PM   #38
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The good news is that Bowe and Maclin are both outstanding at adjusting to the ball in the air and going to get it.

DeSean Jackson isn't, but Bowe and Maclin have the strength and body control to take some of the rough edges off Foles if Foles can just learn to make balls catchable, if not balls-on.
Yeah, they are. I would probably rather make a move for Harvin, but thats not happening. Maclin would be a close second.

Brings me back to an earlier point, I'm pretty tired of watching QB's with less than stellar accuracy in KC. If you could sell me on a downfield system like Flacco and the Ravens have, I could get on board and we know that can win obviously.

We've talked about how Flacco and Eli aren't in teh elite class therefor you don't need one to win. That's true, they aren't in that class, but they played at an elite level in the playoffs leading their team to SB wins.

I don't think you necessarily need like you use to, an elite guy at QB ala Brady, Manning Brees Rodgers etc, but you need a QB who can play at an elite level at times.
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Pretty sure that would be the death blow for some.
Could be a suicide over that by some
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Old 02-22-2013, 03:05 PM   #40
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Dang Bray's got small hands. But he's only 5 pounds less than Manuel who I thought was a pretty big guy in general. Just think if he had bigger hands he'd be the QB in the draft with the strongest arm.

And the black guy has the biggest hands. Go figure.
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Yeah, and the problem is that you end up with Manuel in that situation.
If you have Manuel, you also have Foles.

Manuel gives you the Culpepper/Big Ben massive upside option, Foles gives you a tolerable fallback position if Manuel doesn't slide or doesn't develop.

Though I understand this scenario is completely unpalatable for folks that don't like Manuel. I'm just not in that group - I kinda like EJ.
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If you have Manuel, you also have Foles.

Manuel gives you the Culpepper/Big Ben massive upside option, Foles gives you a tolerable fallback position if Manuel doesn't slide or doesn't develop.

Though I understand this scenario is completely unpalatable for folks that don't like Manuel. I'm just not in that group - I kinda like EJ.
I'd like to see us make a play for Foles, assuming the cost is realistic. We have to throw numbers at it, and I'd rather have Foles than Smith or Flynn.

But I want Smith or Barkley at the top of the draft.
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If you have Manuel, you also have Foles.

Manuel gives you the Culpepper/Big Ben massive upside option, Foles gives you a tolerable fallback position if Manuel doesn't slide or doesn't develop.

Though I understand this scenario is completely unpalatable for folks that don't like Manuel. I'm just not in that group - I kinda like EJ.
I can see the Manuel Big Ben comp, and being a pretty big fan of his I woudln't mind that.

But again, I'm not sure that they would fit into the offense Reid wants to run.
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I can see the Manuel Big Ben comp, and being a pretty big fan of his I woudln't mind that.

But again, I'm not sure that they would fit into the offense Reid wants to run.
It all depends on what we think he "wants to run".

Did he want to run the short/quick passing offense he ran during his early years in Philly or did he have to run it because he didn't have the downfield WRs?

Did he want to run the downfield, balls/bust offense he ran in Philly during his later years there or did he have to run it because Vick doesn't have the consistency to operate a short passing game.

He has two clearly different offenses that he's run with some success in the past. About the only constant has been his utilization of the runningback and it doesn't matter who's under center for that - Jamaal Charles is the evolutionary Brian Westbrook.

I'm just reluctant to cite 'his' offense at this point because frankly, he's done a lot of different stuff as a HC.
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