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Old 02-19-2013, 07:14 AM  
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Ya know, the Chinese really aren't our friends...

Just another reason not to buy crap from WalMart.

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"....(China) was behind hundreds of attacks on U.S. companies, focusing increasingly "on companies involved in the critical infrastructure of the United States its electrical power grid, gas lines and waterworks." Nervous yet?"


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...y-hackers.html

I think sometimes we spend to much time worrying about countries that have little strategic interest to us and not enough time worrying about one that does.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:56 PM   #16
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There are four possible reasons for President Obama’s inaction — only one of them faintly valid
None of these are valid. I know this as fact. Where did you get this partisan BS?
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:01 PM   #17
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When the SHTF, China will buy up American farmland and resources as collateral for our debt.
Are you in bed with TJ now? This is insane. You need to educate yourself.

China only owns about 8% of our debt. Around $1.2 trillion. A lot of money but not enough to dictate a damn thing to us. We got their money. They want it back so they will spend more money to buy farmland?
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:04 PM   #18
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None of these are valid. I know this as fact. Where did you get this partisan BS?
Do you realize that you're agreeing with the author?
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:08 PM   #19
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Do you realize that you're agreeing with the author?
You really think we are not doing anything?
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:26 PM   #20
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You really think we are not doing anything?
I really think that Ralph Peters is at least as informed as you are. Leaving aside our efforts to build defenses, I don't have any reason to believe we're doing anything effective given that the cyber attacks continue.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:29 PM   #21
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I don't have any reason to believe we're doing anything effective given that the cyber attacks continue.
In what reality is the government responsible for patching private business's applications?
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:41 PM   #22
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In what reality is the government responsible for patching private business's applications?
Did you read the article? It's not about playing defense or patching private sector applications. It also intimates that the private sector aren't the only networks that have been hit (which is also something I thought you suggested a few days ago when you said something about the Chinese getting all of our nuclear secrets).
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:55 PM   #23
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Did you read the article? It's not about playing defense or patching private sector applications. It also intimates that the private sector aren't the only networks that have been hit (which is also something I thought you suggested a few days ago when you said something about the Chinese getting all of our nuclear secrets).
You didn't answer the question.

BTW the nuclear secrets were stolen under Reagan. Not discovered until the mid 90's.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:23 PM   #24
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You didn't answer the question.
I don't think it's up to the government to patch private industry's applications. There's your answer, but it's an irrelevant question.
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Old 02-23-2013, 03:41 AM   #25
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I don't think it's up to the government to patch private industry's applications. There's your answer, but it's an irrelevant question.
Is it? You are quick to blame Obama for these attacks. You should really be blaming the CEO's of these big corporations. they chose to profit more and more instead of spending some of that money on Information Security.

All of these exploits that have happened are well known. If they had patched in a timely manner, paid more money for additional security and tools it wouldn't have happened. Maybe they will wake the **** up now.

The Chinese economy is stalling. There is mumblings of unrest. They need to steal our economic secrets and apply them to their economy to stay ahead of being overthrown by the people.

Obama proposed sharing security info with our private business's. The military hasn't been hacked in a long time that wasn't a human error on our side. That if the in place rules were followed, it wouldn't have happened. Private business needs to get to that level of security, human error.

But that would entail government regulation, dictates from the black booted geeks of Obama's regime.
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:47 AM   #26
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Why would China do this?

No one buys more of their crap than we do.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:26 AM   #27
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Yes, it's irrelevant. Quit making excuses for the Chinese. It's almost like you prefer having a pretext for more regulation.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:34 AM   #28
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Is it? You are quick to blame Obama for these attacks. You should really be blaming the CEO's of these big corporations. they chose to profit more and more instead of spending some of that money on Information Security.

All of these exploits that have happened are well known. If they had patched in a timely manner, paid more money for additional security and tools it wouldn't have happened. Maybe they will wake the **** up now.

The Chinese economy is stalling. There is mumblings of unrest. They need to steal our economic secrets and apply them to their economy to stay ahead of being overthrown by the people.

Obama proposed sharing security info with our private business's. The military hasn't been hacked in a long time that wasn't a human error on our side. That if the in place rules were followed, it wouldn't have happened. Private business needs to get to that level of security, human error.

But that would entail government regulation, dictates from the black booted geeks of Obama's regime.
Does your logic only apply to cyber attacks? I mean, if they start bombing hospitals and shopping malls, should Obama stay out of it since those are private businesses?
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:41 AM   #29
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Does your logic only apply to cyber attacks? I mean, if they start bombing hospitals and shopping malls, should Obama stay out of it since those are private businesses?
What would you have him do? Create a global WWIII because businesses are too lazy to patch correctly?

And we stop the Chinese some way some how, the holes in security are still there to be exploited. they will be and then just sold to the Chinese or to the highest bidder.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:43 AM   #30
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Does your logic only apply to cyber attacks? I mean, if they start bombing hospitals and shopping malls, should Obama stay out of it since those are private businesses?
Build your own damn missile defense or let us come in and run your business for the benefit of the workers.
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