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Old 02-22-2013, 09:36 AM  
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The Exhaustion of the American Teacher

Ran across this article making it's way around facebook.
I thought it was very interesting, especially considering my wife is an elementary teacher. This really hits the nail on the head.
What are your thoughts?

I don't venture into the DC forum too often, sorry if repost.

And the article won't let me Copy/Paste.

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Old 02-25-2013, 06:03 PM   #181
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Cost her $25,000 a years each for a couple of years to turn them around at another private school which just used different methods.
Different methods like smaller class sizes and not having to deal with troubled or low scoring students that can drag a class room's performance down both in scoring and in effective teaching? That kind of different method? My wife's sister knows all about that; her daughter was a "slow learner". After a couple of months, private school dumped her after giving up on her...back to the public school system where they don't have that luxury.
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:10 PM   #182
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Different methods like smaller class sizes and not having to deal with troubled or low scoring students that can drag a class room's performance down both in scoring and in effective teaching?
No their first school did not have large classes. However, when you have to repair a student you have to get them up so speed fast to catch up, so some one-on-one is required. It was mostly a change in methods. For one, they got phonics when they had learned to read with Whole Language earlier. That was a failure for many children. Although, Whole Language is fine if taught with phonics.

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No phonics, vocabularly skills ( for comprehension) etc.

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My wife's sister knows all about that; her daughter was a "slow learner". After a couple of months, private school dumped her after giving up on her...back to the public school system where they don't have that luxury.
Neither child turned out to be slow learners or learning disabled. Like I said there is way too much labeling going in public schools. Just as Marva Collins found when she went to classical education methods. I think you have bought into some of the rationales for methods that govt schools have pushed—many of which were experimental. I wouldn't want my child used as a guinea pig for any progressive educator. I know a lot of teachers who are aware of the problems, some of who set out on their own.
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:20 PM   #183
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No their first school did not have large classes. However, when you have to repair a student you have to get them up so speed fast to catch up, so some one-on-one is required. It was mostly a change in methods. For one, they got phonics when they had learned to read with Whole Language earlier. That was a failure for many children. Although, Whole Language is fine if taught with phonics.



No phonics, vocabularly skills ( for comprehension) etc.



Neither child turned out to be slow learners or learning disabled. Like I said there is way too much labeling going in public schools. Just as Marva Collins found when she went to classical education methods. I think you have bought into some of the rationales for methods that govt schools have pushed—many of which were experimental. I wouldn't want my child used as a guinea pig for any progressive educator. I know a lot of teachers who are aware of the problems, some of who set out on their own.
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:34 PM   #184
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Neither child turned out to be slow learners or learning disabled. Like I said there is way too much labeling going in public schools. Just as Marva Collins found when she went to classical education methods. I think you have bought into some of the rationales for methods that govt schools have pushed—many of which were experimental. I wouldn't want my child used as a guinea pig for any progressive educator. I know a lot of teachers who are aware of the problems, some of who set out on their own.
You kind of ignored or missed my point; private schools have a big advantage and a higher success rate because they can cherry pick their students and dump those who are problematic. I haven't spoken about methodology really...just comparing the two educational situations.
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:39 PM   #185
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You kind of ignored or missed my point; private schools have a big advantage and a higher success rate because they can cherry pick their students and dump those who are problematic. I haven't spoken about methodology really...just comparing the two educational situations.
I know that about private schools. My kid was tested before I could put her in hers.

But this was a private school that repaired kids damaged from their previous school, who were falsely labeled etc. It wasn't just some pricey academy, choosing the smartest to attend. It had kids damaged from the public schools. I even saw a Montessori kid, who was nearly thrown out, being repaired at a place down here. It happens.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:23 AM   #186
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I know that about private schools. My kid was tested before I could put her in hers.

But this was a private school that repaired kids damaged from their previous school, who were falsely labeled etc. It wasn't just some pricey academy, choosing the smartest to attend. It had kids damaged from the public schools. I even saw a Montessori kid, who was nearly thrown out, being repaired at a place down here. It happens.
That's interesting terminology; damaged - repaired...sounds a bit dramatic. Asides from performing better, how were they repaired?
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:12 PM   #187
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That's interesting terminology; damaged - repaired...sounds a bit dramatic. Asides from performing better, how were they repaired?
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That's interesting terminology; damaged - repaired...sounds a bit dramatic. Asides from performing better, how were they repaired?
Would you prefer the word "remediated?" It just means correcting a fault or deficiency. That's just another way of saying, repair or fixing any damage. The school where my daughter attended would not take any more students from the public schools after a certain age, because they were considered too damaged to work with. That's the word they used.

I told you how earlier— phonics, vocabulary development to aid reading comprehension. Was that all? Probably not, I don't know I didn't go there. I only know what I was told back by my sister back then, and she said different methods such as using phonics and vocabulary. That's what I used. Phonics is the best method for teaching reading. I didn't ask about everything they did.
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The school where my daughter attended would not take any more students from the public schools after a certain age, because they were considered too damaged to work with. That's the word they used.
Thank you; the biggest luxury of private school. Too far behind? Dump 'em.

Public schools don't have that option...whether it's from within their school, another school or another district from another state, or even another country. Here you go...bring this kid up to standards while still being expected to teach to every student on an individual basis in a classroom of 25+ and you're going to be judged on the scores your class produces. Easy job.
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Last week I told one of my students that she is failing. She got very upset and threw a chair (the third floor security officers chair) across the hall. It bounces off of the wall ad hits me. She then stormed downstairs and throws the police officers desk across the hall. The principal does nothing about this.

Today she gets her report card and guess what she failed. She tells the police officer who was watching her class she is going to go kick my ass. The officer then thought it was a good idea he let her leave so she could calm down. She storms right to my room starts cursing at me and pushes my puter off of my desk. On her way out she throws a desk chair across the room. It hits my left elbow.

I call the police and her excuse was yeah I threw the chair, but he jumped in front of it. I said "Is this real life or am I ****in dreaming. I jumped in front of a steel chair flyinng across the room?" She gets three days suspension and will be back in my room next week.

While waiting for the police teh parent is in the office asking me about her math grade. I was like wtf your daughter just broke my ****ing computer how can I tell you her grades?

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