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Old 10-25-2008, 07:03 AM  
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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

OK, c'mon. This is 2006. Obama going to Kenya in 2006 as a US Senator undispatched by the State Department to support Odinga. Raila Odinga is a Muslim who planned out a brutal reprisal on Kenyan Christians should he lose the election that Senator Obama campaigned in on behalf of Odinga. This is not something going on when Obama is "eight years old" or when he just happened to be alseep in Church during all the antiAmerican parts of Jeremiah Wright's toxic sermons.

Odinga is linked to Islamic terror in the Horn of Africa. This is not small change. This is explicit support for an Islamic leader educated in communist East Germany who has ties to terror and who unleashed a brutal and bloody reprisal against his political enemies.

I confess that I have not looked into this until today. This is very, very disurbing.

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Raila Odinga subsequently lost the controversial (probably rigged) presidential election. In what appeared to many—including Human Rights Watch– as a coordinated strategy from the top, (“Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Reuters 1/26/2008 and “Kenya: Violence Planned Before Poll, Says Report” The Nation 3/18/2008) his Luo supporters (a core of whom call themselves The Taliban”(“Ethnic Gangs Rile Kenyan Slums” Newsweek 1/10/08)) engaged in what US Envoy Jendayi Frazer called “clear ethnic cleansing” (“US Envoy Calls Violence in Kenya ‘Ethnic Cleansing’” USA Today 1/30/2008) of the Kikuyu opposition.

Odinga’s supporters went on a rampage—burning Kikuyu homes and businesses, (“Ethnic Cleansing in Luoland” The Economist 2/7/2008) raping Kikuyu women, and murdering everyone in their path—including at least 50 Christian Kikuyu woman & children who had sought refuge in a church. They burned them alive. (“Mob Burns Kenyans Seeking Refuge In Church” CNN 1/10/2008)
“We have evidence that ODM [Odinga’s party] politicians and local leaders actively fomented some post-election violence,” Georgette Gagnon, acting Africa director for the New York based Human Rights Watch (HRW), said on Thursday.” (Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Ibid)

So: who is Raila Odinga that Senator Obama would expend his political capital and risk the goodwill of half the population of Kenya?

Their relationship is unclear. The BBC initially reported that Obama and Odinga were first cousins.(“Odinga Says Obama is His Cousin” 1/8/2008) The Obama campaign has since denied a familial relationship. Raila Odinga’s father Oginga Odinga was leader of the “Kenya People’s Union” and perceived as a “committed socialist” (“Oginga Odinga: Kenya’s Most Persecuted Politician” Kenya: Key Issues 8/21.2002). Odinga Sr. was also the political ally of fellow Luo; Barack Obama Sr.(The Risks of Knowledge (Ohio University Press, 2004) p. 182)

What we do know about Odinga is not good. A former Minister of Energy, Odinga is reported to have been set up in the oil business by the al Bakri Group and Muammar Quaddafi (“How Rich is Raila-The ODM Kenya Presidential Aspirant?” African Press 4/26/2007) Abdel Qader Bakri (or- Abdulkader al Bakri) was listed on the infamous “Golden Chain”–an internal Al-Queda list of wealthy Saudi financial sponsors seized by Bosnian police in a Islamic “charity” raid in 2001. (“Terrorist Financing Staff Monograph 9/11 Commission and “The Golden Chain”) According to his website, Odinga was educated in Communist East Germany, (Herder Institute, Leipzig & Otto von Guericke Tech. Institute, Magdeburg) (http://www.raila07.com) Odinga’s eldest son is named “Fidel” (http://www.raila07.com)

Perhaps most troubling is Odinga’s links to Islamic extremists in Kenya. According to Voice of America and the Evangelical Alliance of Kenya, on 8/29/07, Odinga signed a secret agreement (exposed 11/27) with Sheikh Abdullah Abdi of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLEF) in which he agreed to institute Islamic law in exchange for Abdi’s support (eakenya.org)–thereby potentially disenfranchising and curtailing the liberties of millions of Christian Kenyan women. Further, he promised that Muslims suspected of terrorism would be safe from extradition—thereby establishing a ‘safe haven’ for terrorists in Kenya.

After the public outcry, Odinga denied signing a secret agreement. Angry at Odinga’s apparent repudiation, a member of NAMLEF subsequently released the agreement to the press. Odinga then claimed the document was a forgery, but acknowledged a secret agreement had been signed in exchange for Muslim support. Finally, under constant pressure, Odinga released what he claimed was the actual document (“Real” MOU) a considerably watered down version of the original; but still anathema to many Christian groups. “In response to the revelations, The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya released a statement in which church leaders said Raila, in both MOUs, ‘comes across as a presumptive Muslim president bent on forcing Islamic law, religion and culture down the throats of the Kenyan people in total disregard of the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of freedom of worship and equal protection of the law’” (“Concerns Raised Over Alleged Vow To Enforce Islamic Law in Kenya” Christian Post 12/18/2007) To many westerners, the idea of imposing Sharia in a predominantly Christian country may have seemed fanciful. However, Kenya has had Sharia courts for family law (not criminal law)—called Khadi courts—since 1963.

At no point has Senator Obama tried to distance himself from Odinga. Odinga visited Obama on a fundraising tour of the US in 2007 and it is believed that political strategist Dick Morris assisted in Odinga’s presidential campaign- gratis- at Obama’s request (Morris only acknowledged the suggestion came through “mutual friends”). (“Bridges Burned in US, Political Kingmaker Hits Africa” ABC News 11/20/2007) Odinga has claimed that he and Obama speak regularly and whether this is true or not– the similarities between their campaigns are startling. (“Kenya Tests New Style of Politicking” The Washington Post, 12/22/2007)

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Old 10-26-2008, 02:08 AM   #121
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1. There is abundant video showing Obama supporting Odinga. I have posted a couple in this thread. It is useless to deny Obama's endorsement of Raila Odinga. Odinga is a marxist, a Muslim, and Obama went there to campaign for Odinga against the US-backed Christian president. Why did Obama not meet with the President of Kenya?



There's a pattern here - this isn't a one time deal, and Obama supporters cannot deny this. From Frank Marshall Davis to Jeremiah Wright to William Ayers to Raila Odinga - the same pattern is reinforced.

Your gratuitous reference to McCain/Palin is not supported by any pattern. For God's sake, McCain was tortured for the country he loves and Palin is the most popular governor in America. Her son is in Iraq!

The article you linked to references Obama appearing with Odinga during a day of campaign stops. That is still light years away from what you are accusing him of.

As for some sort of a "pattern", it's clear that you're throwing a bunch of shit on the wall and whatever sticks you are calling a "pattern". I still say that under the standard you are applying to Obama you could easily link most prominent republicans to equally unsavory characters (or worse).

I'm laughing at your reference to Palin as the most popular governor in America. She may be popular in Alaska, but the overwhelming majority of the rest of America sees her for what she is -- Dick Cheney with lipstick (minus about 50 IQ points).

McCain may have fought and suffered for this country, but that doesn't give him carte blanche to escape criticism for the rest of his life.
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1. There is abundant video showing Obama supporting Odinga. I have posted a couple in this thread. It is useless to deny Obama's endorsement of Raila Odinga. Odinga is a marxist, a Muslim, and Obama went there to campaign for Odinga against the US-backed Christian president. Why did Obama not meet with the President of Kenya?



There's a pattern here - this isn't a one time deal, and Obama supporters cannot deny this. From Frank Marshall Davis to Jeremiah Wright to William Ayers to Raila Odinga - the same pattern is reinforced.

Your gratuitous reference to McCain/Palin is not supported by any pattern. For God's sake, McCain was tortured for the country he loves and Palin is the most popular governor in America. Her son is in Iraq!
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Vote Obama or spend your time toiling in the fields instead of serving mint juleps to your darkie overlords!
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Old 10-26-2008, 09:09 AM   #126
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Johnny, I done told you---

The moonbats don't care. They are sick in the head.
6 months into an Obama presidency: Obama's approval rating will be in the teens. Don't be shocked by that. Congress' will be in single digits.

America is NOT a marxist nation and will not be in this generation. GOP will have a landlside in the midterms in 2010.

If you think things are rough now, wait until the 2nd Jimmy Carter term begins.
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The moonbats don't care. They are sick in the head.
Why argue with people who ignore 95% of the content of your posts so they can pretend that they're "winning" something? It's infantile.
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Obviously as an active duty Soldier I have a different perspective from most people on this website.
You seem to think that you are the only active duty soldier in the world and that it somehow gives you insight that no one else has. You are wrong on both counts. I've worked at a joint command for nearly 20 years, with all branches of the military there. I've literally known and worked with thousands of military personnel over that time. I can tell you with absolute certainty that being in the military does not give one any extra powers of thought. While there are many smart educated people in the military there are also many ignorant morons. I've known people in the military that were completely clueless about everything.

You dishonor the military and the country you serve by using your job as a way to bolster your political viewpoint.

Try to win debates based on FACTS and stop using "I'm in the military so you should listen to me" as an argument. It is as bad as McCain always using "I was a POW" as an excuse for everything.

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I would like to add one thing to my post above, John. As you are undoubtedly aware, it is a violation of the UCMJ to campaign for a candidate while in uniform, because it implies that the military is endorsing that candidate (it is also against federal civilian law). You can be court martialed for it. What you are doing is exactly the same thing. You are using your position in the military to convince people to vote for a specific candidate.

You are very fortunate I don't notify your CO about this. Please stop or I will.
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There is more to this story than is being told, same as Rev. Wright, Ayers, Resko, Young,Davis,etc.

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