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Old 03-04-2013, 10:04 PM  
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Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:37 AM   #271
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Dane and mecca on the opposite end of the 09 argument. Wow.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:37 AM   #272
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there are two options in the draft

draft a QB #1 overall (don't care if it is Geno or Barkley) since now, with the CBA, you can draft a guy #1 and let him develop for 2 years if that's what you think it'll take for that QB to become the next star NFL QB

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trade down

and you can't tell me there isn't someone willing to trade up...if you have to trade down to #10 and all you get is a 2nd round pick for it then so be it...

but there is literally no one we need at #1 if we're not taking a QB
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:38 AM   #273
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Eh after his combine I'd say his talent level is right there at elite.
People are making a lot of his drops, but that overlooks his injury. He's going to have to have surgery on his shoulder, and that might have affected that part of his showing.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:38 AM   #274
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Well there is no way they're taking a QB 1st, I'd be bet my left testicle on that.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:39 AM   #275
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Well why is he crazy, what did he do?
I don't think there is a chance in he'll that the Chiefs take Geno Smith #1 overall.

I don't think Geno Smith is "rising" on anyone's board.

I don't think that Alex Smith and Geno Smith equals the Joe Montana trade.

Basically, I'm not delusional.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:39 AM   #276
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and to me...

there are two options in the draft

draft a QB #1 overall (don't care if it is Geno or Barkley) since now, with the CBA, you can draft a guy #1 and let him develop for 2 years if that's what you think it'll take for that QB to become the next star NFL QB

or

trade down

and you can't tell me there isn't someone willing to trade up...if you have to trade down to #10 and all you get is a 2nd round pick for it then so be it...

but there is literally no one we need at #1 if we're not taking a QB
They could probably get a 2 and a 3 and a 2 next year something like that, they just won't be able to ask for a first next year.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:39 AM   #277
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Well there is no way they're taking a QB 1st, I'd be bet my left testicle on that.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:40 AM   #278
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and to me...

there are two options in the draft

draft a QB #1 overall (don't care if it is Geno or Barkley) since now, with the CBA, you can draft a guy #1 and let him develop for 2 years if that's what you think it'll take for that QB to become the next star NFL QB

or

trade down

and you can't tell me there isn't someone willing to trade up...if you have to trade down to #10 and all you get is a 2nd round pick for it then so be it...

but there is literally no one we need at #1 if we're not taking a QB
You take Geno #1 if you cant find a trade partner however if you trade back you take millner or cordarelle patterson.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:40 AM   #279
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Why are you guys jumping on Dane anyway?
Because he is Dane of course.

It wouldn't be the planet without him pissing the masses off with his differing take on things.

FTR that doesn't mean I don't agree with him.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:40 AM   #280
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and to me...

there are two options in the draft

draft a QB #1 overall (don't care if it is Geno or Barkley) since now, with the CBA, you can draft a guy #1 and let him develop for 2 years if that's what you think it'll take for that QB to become the next star NFL QB

or

trade down

and you can't tell me there isn't someone willing to trade up...if you have to trade down to #10 and all you get is a 2nd round pick for it then so be it...

but there is literally no one we need at #1 if we're not taking a QB
Nobody wanted the #3 spot in 2009, so what makes you so sure someone wants #1 in this draft?
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:40 AM   #282
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Right now I think the Raiders may take Geno if they don't Arizona does and then Buffalo takes Mike Glennon.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:40 AM   #283
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Yeah, I need help because I don't believe that there's a chance in hell that the Chiefs will take a QB at #1 overall.

I didn't realize that you were as brainwashed as the rest.
this has nothing to do with your football takes...I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying

I've been the guy defending Alex Smith from all of the "he's Matt Cassel version 2" shit.

you just attack, attack, and attack and I'm pretty sure you're putting yourself on the side of the fence you're putting yourself on just because it's the unpopular side and you like to argue and this is the best way

I don't understand your 180's.

I'm not naive enough to think the Chiefs are going to give a 2nd and 3rd for Alex Smith and then take a QB #1. I've gotten over that. I'm really happy with the moves they made today. I'm not completely sold they won't try and trade Albert now to try and recoup one of those picks they gave away for Smith and then take Joeckel #1 which will really piss me off...

but right now, I'm still assuming we don't take a QB #1 and there is literally no one else to take so for me it is trade down or bust.

If we don't trade down, we better take a ****ing skill player. No lineman.
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Nobody wanted the #3 spot in 2009, so what makes you so sure someone wants #1 in this draft?
Rookie cap helps.
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Nobody wanted the #3 spot in 2009, so what makes you so sure someone wants #1 in this draft?
That's not true.

Pioli didn't want to trade.

There's always a trade partner.
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