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Old 03-05-2013, 10:03 AM  
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The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:59 PM   #151
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Understandably you're at a loss for how to argue your position.
The Browns and Eagles are dying for a young strong offensive line. Both would entertain thoughts of trading up for Joeckel, still leaving us Smith and some compensatory picks later in the draft.

Does that solidify the argument?
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:00 PM   #152
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You assume that the Chiefs would actually HAVE a trade down partner. You also assume that if the Chiefs can in fact trade down, that the team trading UP wouldn't be for a QB.

When was the last time a team traded into the #1 Overall slot for anything other than a QB?
We both base upon assumptions, yours that Smith will be an offensive saviour. At least my premise is possible without risk, especially since I believe that discussing trades with Cleveland and Philly wouldn't hurt either team.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:02 PM   #153
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You assume that the Chiefs would actually HAVE a trade down partner. You also assume that if the Chiefs can in fact trade down, that the team trading UP wouldn't be for a QB.

When was the last time a team traded into the #1 Overall slot for anything other than a QB?
Ask Philly after suffering Peters, Bell, and Dunlap - especially after spending a chunk on an aging QB that used to be able to scramble, but definitely needs protection in his waning years.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:02 PM   #154
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We don't know who the Chiefs are going to take. That was expressed several times in my post, because at this point, it really can be any one.

The compensation for Alex Smith doesn't dictate that he's a long term solution. Whether or not he gets an extension will dictate that.

If Alex doesn't get an extension, then that is very telling of what they think of him and what their long term goals may be.
My assumption is that if Kansas City intended to use 1:1 on a quarterback, they would not be trading the 34th pick (and additional compensation) for another quarterback. They'd find a cheaper (or free) veteran if all they were looking for was a short-term mentor.

I think the moves yesterday are good in that they make the team appear more flexible, which is beneficial in an effort to trade down (which I don't think will happen), but I don't believe a QB is in any way more likely than it was 24 hours ago.

Which stings, speaking as someone who's a big geno fan. I just don't see any realistic scenario where they go that route.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:02 PM   #155
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The Browns and Eagles are dying for a young strong offensive line. Both would entertain thoughts of trading up for Joeckel, still leaving us Smith and some compensatory picks later in the draft.

Does that solidify the argument?


The Browns are going to trade up for Joeckel........while paying their current LT $84 million over 7 years?
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:03 PM   #156
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Now that I think about it, Detroit definitely needs O Line help as well.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:03 PM   #157
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The Browns and Eagles are dying for a young strong offensive line. Both would entertain thoughts of trading up for Joeckel, still leaving us Smith and some compensatory picks later in the draft.

Does that solidify the argument?
No they wouldn't when they can sit right where they are and have Fisher, Joeckel or Johnson fall right into their laps.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:04 PM   #158
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Explain to me why anyone is trading up to #1 to get that LT?

The Chiefs aren't taking a LT.
The Jaguars aren't taking a LT.
The Raiders aren't taking a LT.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:05 PM   #159
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We both base upon assumptions, yours that Smith will be an offensive saviour. At least my premise is possible without risk, especially since I believe that discussing trades with Cleveland and Philly wouldn't hurt either team.
Both the Browns and Eagles already have High Profile LT's in place. You think they're going to trade UP for a back up?
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The Browns are going to trade up for Joeckel........while paying their current LT $84 million over 7 years?
Well that shoots a hole in my argument, those other teams wouldn't want Joeckel either. Why is he even listed as the top pick in every single mock I have seen?
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The Browns and Eagles are dying for a young strong offensive line. Both would entertain thoughts of trading up for Joeckel, still leaving us Smith and some compensatory picks later in the draft.

Does that solidify the argument?
No, because the Chiefs can't plan their draft relying on what they think teams picking after them might do. You can't have the #1 pick and also approach the draft with a reactive mindset dependent on multiple other teams. Trading down is a luxury you cannot and do not plan for.
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Explain to me why anyone is trading up to #1 to get that LT?

The Chiefs aren't taking a LT.
The Jaguars aren't taking a LT.
The Raiders aren't taking a LT.
Well, according to you and Detox, Joeckel isn't going until 7 or 8.

I will bet you 50.00 to the winner's favorite charity that Joeckel is gone before the 8th pick.
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Well that shoots a hole in my argument, those other teams wouldn't want Joeckel either. Why is he even listed as the top pick in every single mock I have seen?
Because....

1. This was before Albert was franchised.
2. The media gets a hard on mocking a LT to the Chiefs.


FFS.....Joeckel isn't even viewed as the #1 LT in this class by some.
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No they wouldn't when they can sit right where they are and have Fisher, Joeckel or Johnson fall right into their laps.
That's the real issue. Why trade to #1 when you can get equivalent players not only later in the top 10, but in the latter half of the round, or even the early part of the second. I mean, seriously, what player in this class is actually worth moving up for? We're probably stuck right where we are.
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Well, according to you and Detox, Joeckel isn't going until 7 or 8.

I will bet you 50.00 to the winner's favorite charity that Joeckel is gone before the 8th pick.
In fact, I make the same bet to Detox.
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