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Old 03-05-2013, 10:03 AM  
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The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:26 AM   #421
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I believe we got A.Smith for the ability to take a QB whether it is at 1 or if we trade back he is a stop gap and it isn't unreasonable to think we would invest that much into the worst part of our team. We have flexibilty we locked up our WR and LT. If we are able to sign a D-lineman and Corner before the draft why couldn't we take Geno? If we are to take Dorsey at his word, to build a winner you have to solidify the QB position what better way to do it then with our first pick plus trading a pick for a solid above average QB. A.Smith will make this team better and if he is half the professional the 9ers fans say he is he will help a rookie QB learn to play the position the right way. And just maybe Reid and Dorsey know what they are doing.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:14 AM   #422
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Exactly.

If they take Geno at #1 I'll be ****ing thrilled.
I'd probably have a heart attack...
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:49 AM   #423
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If they draft Geno to sit for a year and learn the WCO, I will love this staff.
I would be all for it, even with the #1 overall pick.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:53 AM   #424
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If they draft Geno to sit for a year and learn the WCO, I will love this staff.
I would be all for it, even with the #1 overall pick.
But wait! #1 overall picks always start the first year! /guys who know nothing about football
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:25 AM   #425
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If they draft Geno to sit for a year and learn the WCO, I will love this staff.
I would be all for it, even with the #1 overall pick.
He's a perfect WCO guy.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:43 AM   #426
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I think at the end of the day you have to take the history of this franchise into account. We havnt drafted a qb in the first for 30 years. We also havnt had a lot of success. You can point to the 90s or 2003 but thats really a pretty small amount. Some fans are just tired of losing, they see how other franchises do it and take note of history and how the overwhelming majority did it with first round picks.

When you dont get results you lose the trust of the fan base. And can you blame them? The results speak for themselves. This isnt the patriots or niners - who basically have no reason to complain ever. This is a feeble franchise who has done it the same way for years. I would also suggest that most of this board are pretty knowledgeable. They understand schemes, techniques and even the process of scouting players. So when they determine Geno to be a franchise qb and we so happen to have the first pick they get excited. Then this new gm and coach go against their wishes, make a trade and seem to be doing exactly what has happened for years. It would seem to be ground hog day. Forgive those who would suggest that 30 years of results is enough reason to not blindly follow. But in my eyes that have every reason to be cautious.

Then you have the 'true fans'. Fans who would blindly follow this team to oblivion and those that to a lesser extent play the wait and see game. Well a lot including myself have played that game before, only to be let down time and time again. Many have gotten sick of doing it that way. They get angry when the same recycled team building method is used again and again. They suggest a ways in which this new gm and coach should best go about the rebuilding process. Not all agree on the finer points, but a large portion agree that you must take a round one qb. And most would argue the best is Geno. Yet then they are.met with "oh you dont know better than reid or dorsey". Well excuse me, but weve been here before. Gm of the decade, superbowl winning coach dick v. Some fans arnt so willing to blindy trust a gm and head coach. You people who disagree with them have to see that, just as maybe those who want Geno have to see your point of view
But i would argue that while.many are quick to spout off how Dorsey and Reid have a history of doing this and that and being winners, the chiefs dont. We dont trust our history just as much a you all seem to trust Reid and Dorsey. It goes both ways.

Now while i am angry at the A Smith trade and want Geno Smith, i am pleased with the last couple of days results. Im off the ledge for now. However i will not blindly follow these guys. I was happy as **** to see them hired, but the history of the Chiefs, the history of super bowl winning qbs and my history as a fan makes me cautious.
This is what gives me the most hope, perhaps foolishly. I see a radical shift within the Chiefs from past history. Once you set aside interim GMs, Scooter's tenure as General Manager was the shortest in Chiefs history. Clark is willing to give his front office time to win, but not too much time. I think both Reid and Dorsey know this and will make sure that we are stacked and set at the most important position on the team.

In today's NFL, you need two "starting caliber" QBs.

Dorsey and Reid aren't going to make the same mistakes that Scooter did and seal their fate by putting all their eggs in a single proverbial QB basket.

If anything the past few days should tell you, its that these guys are more concerned with picking up talent and not gum wrappers.
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:10 AM   #427
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Amazing how the true fans just don't ****ing get it...year after year...completely ignorant.
I'm not even using "True Fan" anymore as it painfully obvious that the vast majority of this fan base is drinking whatever Kool-Aid John Dorsey-Jones is mixing up. From now on, its just "Chief Fan".
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Old 03-06-2013, 11:25 AM   #429
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But wait! #1 overall picks always start the first year! /guys who know nothing about football
This is 2013, not 2004 or 1994 or 1964. The #1 overall pick is expected to start DAY ONE and contribute. If that player can't start and contribute, you've wasted the pick.

Only two guys since 1995's KiJana Carter (ACL tear) taken number one overall didn't start immediately: Tim Couch (15 games) and you guessed it, JaMarcus Russell (4 games).

The #1 overall player better start from Day One or you've just ****ed your team.
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This is 2013, not 2004 or 1994 or 1964. The #1 overall pick is expected to start DAY ONE and contribute. If that player can't start and contribute, you've wasted the pick.

Only two guys since 1995's KiJana Carter (ACL tear) taken number one overall didn't start immediately: Tim Couch (15 games) and you guessed it, JaMarcus Russell (4 games).

The #1 overall player better start from Day One or you've just ****ed your team.
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Carson Palmer.
You're right, I missed him.

So three guys since 1996 and two of them sucked ass.

Not good odds.
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Funny...part of the argument for Mark Sanchez was that he should sit for a year ...maybe even two..before playing...that's with us taking him at 3.

But, now there is a problem having Geno sit....even though we have our game manager/stopgap already in place.
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Old 03-06-2013, 11:51 AM   #434
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Funny...part of the argument for Mark Sanchez was that he should sit for a year ...maybe even two..before playing...that's with us taking him at 3.

But, now there is a problem having Geno sit....even though we have our game manager/stopgap already in place.
I never thought that Sanchez should sit.

He proved that he shouldn't have sat by being a part of two AFC Championship games.

Who said he should sit?
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