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Old 03-05-2013, 10:03 AM  
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The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:51 PM   #541
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Lot's of screens
I am no fan of bringing in Geno as a #1, but I don't care how he gets his yards - screens or not.

Montana had tons of screens and utilized the tight end to maximum ability. Yards are yards.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:52 PM   #542
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I realize that I can not prove this, and people are fine to disagree, but I personally believe that Blaine Gabbert and Mark Sanchez underachieved because they weren't on the bench as a year of on-the-job training.

The draft is about improving your team, and that doesn't always mean improving it immediately. The desire for instantaneous results is why GMs are generally awful at their jobs.
But with today's CBA, you sit a guy for a year and you have to decide before year four whether or not to pick up his option for year five. You'd be taking an awful and unnecessary risk.

If the #1 pick needs a year, don't take him.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:53 PM   #543
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I realize that I can not prove this, and people are fine to disagree, but I personally believe that Blaine Gabbert and Mark Sanchez underachieved because they weren't on the bench as a year of on-the-job training.

The draft is about improving your team, and that doesn't always mean improving it immediately. The desire for instantaneous results is why GMs are generally awful at their jobs.
The desire of the GMs stem from their drastically reduced lives in the NFL if they are no longer productive (Peterson being a huge exception). If they don't produce big results within 2 to 3 seasons, with the trash other GMs left behind, fans and owners are unforgiving.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:54 PM   #544
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But with today's CBA, you sit a guy for a year and you have to decide before year four whether or not to pick up his option for year five. You'd be taking an awful and unnecessary risk.

If the #1 pick needs a year, don't take him.
So you'd be ok taking a DE who would take upwards of 2-3 years to full reach his potential?
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:58 PM   #545
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That would never fly with the fan base, media and most likely, the Hunts.

It's 2013. If the number one overall pick can't start, he'll have the bust label.

I can't believe that people actually believe that a move like that, in 2013, wouldn't be detrimental to the player and the team.
bust label after one year?

Wow. I, honestly can't believe you are typing some of the things you are.

Did black bob hack your account?
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The desire of the GMs stem from their drastically reduced lives in the NFL if they are no longer productive (Peterson being a huge exception). If they don't produce big results within 2 to 3 seasons, with the trash other GMs left behind, fans and owners are unforgiving.
So then this would be the perfect time to do it. Dorsey and Reid are a gimme for 4-5 years barring a Pioli like collapse by year 4.
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Lot's of screens
Come on man, you've seen the throws chart
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:00 PM   #549
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But with today's CBA, you sit a guy for a year and you have to decide before year four whether or not to pick up his option for year five. You'd be taking an awful and unnecessary risk.

If the #1 pick needs a year, don't take him.
I actually think it's a far smaller risk.

Essentially you're weighing the benefit of his production as a rookie and that surplus value of him playing as opposed to paying him to sit against what he will become down the road.

I see it this way:

If a QB works out with a team he's not leaving before 35 unless a significant injury occurs.

If a QB doesn't work out, he's almost never getting a second contract, anyway.

You never draft quarterbacks for what they are, but what they will become. The Colts didn't draft Luck for what he gave them in 2012, but what he's going to give them from 2014-2022.

The cost of the first contract is sunk upon the draft pick, and it's significantly less deleterious than in the past.

I just think you have to approach the player independently.

If it were a RB, LB, OL, DL, or DB, I'd definitely agree with you, but QB is the position that experiences the greatest change from college to pro, and I think that if you believe a player will benefit more from observation than having their asses handed to him, it's not a red flag.
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I actually think it's a far smaller risk.

Essentially you're weighing the benefit of his production as a rookie and that surplus value of him playing as opposed to paying him to sit against what he will become down the road.

I see it this way:

If a QB works out with a team he's not leaving before 35 unless a significant injury occurs.

If a QB doesn't work out, he's almost never getting a second contract, anyway.

You never draft quarterbacks for what they are, but what they will become. The Colts didn't draft Luck for what he gave them in 2012, but what he's going to give them from 2014-2022.

The cost of the first contract is sunk upon the draft pick, and it's significantly less deleterious than in the past.

I just think you have to approach the player independently.

If it were a RB, LB, OL, DL, or DB, I'd definitely agree with you, but QB is the position that experiences the greatest change from college to pro, and I think that if you believe a player will benefit more from observation than having their asses handed to him, it's not a red flag.
this.

I would agree with you Dane if it was anything but a qb
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The desire of the GMs stem from their drastically reduced lives in the NFL if they are no longer productive (Peterson being a huge exception). If they don't produce big results within 2 to 3 seasons, with the trash other GMs left behind, fans and owners are unforgiving.
I'm aware of that. It's still foolish and wrongheaded. By worrying about satiating desires for instant winning, they all but guarantee they'll never win, because they don't build the team sustainably, they put Bondo on it.
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The screens are one thing to look at, but like my chart shows, the area between 10 to 20 yards is what I'm more concerned about when looking at QB's.
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