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Old 02-27-2013, 09:59 AM  
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Alex Smith Traded to Chiefs

Well, it looks like the deal is done.



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Old 03-07-2013, 09:13 PM   #4156
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Just for fun - can you run the numbers on Luck, RGIII, Wilson, and Kaepernick, too?
I am a glutton for punishment.

Andrew Luck.....2 wins/5 losses in 7 games = 18%
Robert Griffin....4 wins/5 losses in 9 games = 44%
Russell Wilson...0 wins/2 losses in 2 games = 0%
Kaepernick.......1 win/1 loss in 2 games = 50%

Wilson & Kaepernick = badass D's rarely give up 24 points. You do that and you are going to the playoffs. That is kind of the point behind the metric. It is hard to win when you give up 24+, but stay well below that and it is not hard to win, even with a middle tier QB like Alex.

But I get what you were driving at. Luck & RGIII are called future elite and you can see they are winning shootouts right out of the gate.

At the same time, the small sample size really skews things. Is Kaepernick really 2nd to Tom Brady with a 50% lifetime win rate in shootouts? It is way too early to tell.

Here is a good example.

Cam Newton was 0 wins and 10 losses as a rookie. 0%

As a sophomore e was 2 wins/ 7 losses for 29% wins in shootouts.

For his career he is 2 wins/ 17 losses for 12%.

So Cam went from 0% to 12% from year one to year 2. I don't think this metric has any meaning for under 5 years and probably not much meaning anyway because it discounts the contributions from Defensive turnovers, ST runbacks and FGs.

It is a weak indicator for a QB. Great indicator for a team. There is a correlation of elite/elitish QBs but is that a causation? Who ****ing knows?

All of this still underscores Alex's 7% winning rate in shootouts. You really would think a 1st overall pick would be somewhere north of 20% even on a bad team. It is just a big RED FLAG.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:14 PM   #4157
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Niner fan here. Welcome to the last 4 years of my life.

There a bunch of these little cockroaches on the forum who would love to eat chilli out of Alex's Smith jock strap.

****ing hate Alexsexuals.
As a 49er's fan, can you give us some perspective to RJF? Without having watched a ton of him, he seems like and adequate 3/5 tech that is better served in the 3 tech on "passing downs".
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:16 PM   #4158
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Nope. Read your posts for a glimpse into the sick world of an Alex Smith fan.

Tell me, why do you love mediocre QBs?
Why do you follow Alex onto a chiefs forum? Would think you would be happy he's gone, but that Alex inside of you brought you here. That's just as sick as anything. I'm a fan of Alex's. That's why I'm here
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:20 PM   #4159
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There's nothing with me "lately".

I just don't believe that Geno Smith should be canonized.

Comparing Alex Smith to John Elway would be just as ridiculous.
You've alluded to a friend of yours that is a scout, the same individual who prefers Dysert to most, if not all, prospects in the draft.

Is this the basis for many of your opinions of this year's QB crop? Otherwise, it seems that you've gone over the top in your Smith counterargument.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:22 PM   #4160
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Why do you follow Alex onto a chiefs forum? Would think you would be happy he's gone, but that Alex inside of you brought you here. That's just as sick as anything. I'm a fan of Alex's. That's why I'm here
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:23 PM   #4161
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How many of Casshats wins were when he was with NE?
Matt Cassel NWE......3 wins/6 losses in 9 games = 33%
Matt Cassel KC......5 wins/20 losses in 25 games = 20%

Still not seeing Alex Smiff territory.

DISCLAIMER: All these stats are Regular Season only. I saw no point in comparing playoff games vs QBs never in the playoffs.

If you want playoffs counted in, then you'll have to do that yourself. I'm not going to go back and do that.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:27 PM   #4162
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Geez guys, can't I make a (weak) attempt at a joke? Sheesh! At least a couple of you got it.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:30 PM   #4163
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You've alluded to a friend of yours that is a scout, the same individual who prefers Dysert to most, if not all, prospects in the draft.

Is this the basis for many of your opinions of this year's QB crop? Otherwise, it seems that you've gone over the top in your Smith counterargument.
Actually, it was an agent that said Dysert would probably be the best developmental QB of the bunch. As I mentioned then, agents have their own agendas, so that's neither here nor there.

I see what a lot of people outside this forum see with Smith. He was unimpressive in many games, especially games in which he faced "NFL" style defense. I think had he played in the SEC, he wouldn't even be in the discussion because his game "shrinks" against better defenses and he becomes easily frustrated.

What's happened in this forum is that Claynus, for whatever ****ing stupid reason, has become the "voice of reason" with his YouTube videos and stats. Meanwhile, people that have actually watched him in real time (i.e., scouts, GM's, coaches, NFL Network folks, the Combine, etc.) come away far less impressed.

We've all seen how the media can pump up players. How Aaron Curry went #4 overall to Seattle is absolutely insane, yet Mike Mayock was beating that drum for months on end. Had those people in Seattle performed their due dilligence, they would have chosen Brian Orapko, Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews or even Max Unger (even though it would have been a round too high, they would have gotten an All Pro).

Anyway, discussions about prospects in the main forum are about as relevant as grocery store discussions about Kim Kardashian. Most of those people have too much time on their hands and don't know what the **** they're talking about.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:30 PM   #4164
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:30 PM   #4165
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Why do you follow Alex onto a chiefs forum? Would think you would be happy he's gone, but that Alex inside of you brought you here. That's just as sick as anything. I'm a fan of Alex's. That's why I'm here
I told you. Its fun to talk shit to the nuthuggers. Can't do it on our board without the cry babies coming out.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:30 PM   #4166
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This is a huge flaw. Look at who Cassel's surrounding cast is in his career and who coached him. Now look at Alex Smith's.

Huge difference.
There is no flaw. It is what it is. I didn't try to connect it to QB play. I just played the game of which QBs had high rates of winning shoot outs. Obviously if your Defense is +34 turnovers on the year, your QB has a better chance. If your FG kicker is good to 60 yards = better chance. Etc. & etc.

Make of it what you will. I just broke down stats, I didn't analyze it or draw any conclusion from it.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:34 PM   #4167
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We've all seen how the media can pump up players. How Aaron Curry went #4 overall to Seattle is absolutely insane, yet Mike Mayock was beating that drum for months on end. Had those people in Seattle performed their due dilligence, they would have chosen Brian Orapko, Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews or even Max Unger (even though it would have been a round too high, they would have gotten an All Pro).
Well, they got Max Unger anyway but yeah, those other guys would have been better than Curry.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:34 PM   #4168
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As a 49er's fan, can you give us some perspective to RJF? Without having watched a ton of him, he seems like and adequate 3/5 tech that is better served in the 3 tech on "passing downs".
Can't really say without watching him more.

He played DE in the 3-4 and mainly played the 5 as far as i can recall.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:35 PM   #4169
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Well, they got Max Unger anyway but yeah, those other guys would have been better than Curry.
Oh yeah, duh.

Thanks for getting the rest of the point.

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