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Old 03-03-2013, 04:42 PM  
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Sharrif Floyd

What are your thoughts?

Is this a #1 overall type guy?

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...l&player=46797

STRENGTHS - Floyd has the bulk and length required to play on the LOS. He displays solid natural strength at the POA when playing with proper leverage, and excels at stacking and shedding his man in time to make plays on runs in the box. He demonstrates very good read and react skills, and is surprisingly efficient at taking angles to the boundary and staying square to his target. He plays with non-stop effort from whistle to whistle which allows him to make plays other athletes his size simply can't.

WEAKNESSES - While Floyd generally displays solid QAB he is not innately explosive off the snap and struggles to consistently penetrate gaps. Once he gets his momentum up to full speed he struggles to break down and finish plays, losing out on numerous sack opportunities in games I graded. At times he gets too upright at the snap and can be driven off the ball on run plays. He lacks refinement in his pass rush moves, and must rely primarily on his hustle and ability to maul his man to get to the QB.

SUMMARY - Sharrif Floyd plays with a combination of power and competitiveness that few linemen can match. He flashes outstanding stack and shed ability and demonstrates very good football instincts. His most impressive trait is his ability to pursue laterally to the edge and finish by taking excellent angles and staying square to the RB, allowing him to adjust to cutbacks. What keeps him from being an elite prospect is his average burst off the snap and bad habit of getting upright at the snap, as can be moved off the ball despite his excellent natural strength. 34 teams will consider him a 5-technique end, while 43 teams would be wise to put him at LDE on rushing downs, and kick him inside to rush the passer on 3rd down. If he can learn to play with more consistent leverage off the ball and use his hands to set up a wider variety of pass moves, he has a chance to develop into one of the most versatile defensive linemen in this draft class.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:58 PM   #16
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For his size and strength, Richardson's first step is elite, and I don't believe that Floyd measures up in this capacity, and his pass-rush moves/techniques are not refined enough to compensate for lack of elite skills.

He can certainly be a good pro, but not a great one.
Floyd's shuttle drill suggests otherwise; his first step is pretty spectacular.

You're right, though - his technique needs work. That said, again, he's 20. With his hands being as quick as they are, there's no reason at all he couldn't have outstanding pass-rush moves.

I just don't see what you're seeing here, I guess. Floyd's first step is absolutely elite. The rest of it is just a technique issue that comes from being a young kid.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:51 PM   #17
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Floyd's shuttle drill suggests otherwise; his first step is pretty spectacular.

You're right, though - his technique needs work. That said, again, he's 20. With his hands being as quick as they are, there's no reason at all he couldn't have outstanding pass-rush moves.

I just don't see what you're seeing here, I guess. Floyd's first step is absolutely elite. The rest of it is just a technique issue that comes from being a young kid.
I can understand the discussion of age and I appreciate the upside. Reminds me a bit of the analysis of Amobi Okoye, but in that regard only.

Richardson, when he gave a ****, was a dynamic force on the field. At times, easily the best player on the field, while playing against the best competition.

I simply think it's a stretch to take a DL with "upside" at 1.1, especially given what he'll need to refine.

Again, not trying to kill this player, as I think he's a good one.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:53 PM   #18
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I can understand the discussion of age and I appreciate the upside. Reminds me a bit of the analysis of Amobi Okoye, but in that regard only.

Richardson, when he gave a ****, was a dynamic force on the field. At times, easily the best player on the field, while playing against the best competition.

I simply think it's a stretch to take a DL with "upside" at 1.1, especially given what he'll need to refine.

Again, not trying to kill this player, as I think he's a good one.
I hate Sheldon Richardson the human being, so I'm incapable of seeing this objectively.

That said, Floyd did rape faces at the combine and it wouldn't take much development for him to be a legitimate stud. My only real worry is his arm length; guys could get to his pads a little easier because his arms are a little bit short.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:48 AM   #19
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Old 03-07-2013, 11:06 AM   #20
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I hate Sheldon Richardson the human being, so I'm incapable of seeing this objectively.

That said, Floyd did rape faces at the combine and it wouldn't take much development for him to be a legitimate stud. My only real worry is his arm length; guys could get to his pads a little easier because his arms are a little bit short.
I like Richardson much more than Floyd. Richardson makes plays all over the field...very high motor. Don't judge Sheldon on the end of last season...that was something between and him Pinkel. I don't care how old Floyd is, he's not a difference maker at the same level as SR. We took our flyer on Baby Huey last year...we don't need another guy who MIGHT turn into something, someday.

Floyd would be a big mistake for the Chiefs.
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:15 PM   #21
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While I know nothing about Florida's OL, this tape was much more impressive than anything I've watched from Floyd. Much busier hands, much better penetration, more explosive.

On a side note, both players move around a lot and have experience playing 0, shades/1, 2,3, 4, and 5 techniques. Both have lined up in the 7 as well.
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Florida was Richardson's best game of the year. He was truly outstanding in that game.
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:25 PM   #23
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If I needed a DT, ran a 4-3, and had the 20th pick, I'd be real interested in Floyd.

Wouldn't even consider him at #1 overall in the draft.
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Florida was Richardson's best game of the year. He was truly outstanding in that game.
Just from watching that and only an extremely limited amount of other games in person without really reviewing his other games, that definitely seems to be the case.
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If I needed a DT, ran a 4-3, and had the 20th pick, I'd be real interested in Floyd.

Wouldn't even consider him at #1 overall in the draft.
Why the **** does this matter?

You do realize that the majority of techniques for a DT in a base 43 are similar to those utilized by all teams in subs? Additionally, the league is extremely passing oriented and the use/importance of DTs that can get a pass rush from the 3-tech is increased.

The 4-3/3-4 stuff is overblown, especially when you consider stunts, gameplans, and other variables that change responsibilities of each player at the line. If you're drafting a DT/3-4 DE (Who will play the exact same techniques as the NT or DT in a 4-3 odd front) in the first round, then they had better be able to provide a solid pass rush from either the 0, shaded 1, 2/3 technique. Additionally, it is even more important currently to find guys (if you run a 3-4 odd front as your base) that can provide a pass rush from the 4/5 tech.
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Why the **** does this matter?
Because interior linemen can disrupt an offensive scheme much more than a 5T. The exception to the rule is a guy who might've had the best season in pro football history for a DL. Think Floyd's gonna get to the QB shaded over the OG or lined up opposite Joe Thomas?
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Because interior linemen can disrupt an offensive scheme much more than a 5T. The exception to the rule is a guy who might've had the best season in pro football history for a DL. Think Floyd's gonna get to the QB shaded over the OG or lined up opposite Joe Thomas?
*facepalm*

The majority of your guys playing the 4/5 tech in base fronts are going to be rotated in to the 2 and 3 tech in sub packages typically. It isn't the exception to the rule. I'm not really sure what you're arguing, unless you think 4/5 techs can't provide an interior pass rush from the 2/3 technique.
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Your argument still doesn't make sense. If we ran a 4-3, Floyd would be a 3 tech primarily in both base fronts and sub packages.

Since we run a 3-4 (I presume an odd front as base but I'm not too familiar with what Sutton will do), Floyd will play a 4-5 tech and rotate inside and play the 3 tech on subs. Since the league is passing-oriented, it is likely he'll get a large volume of snaps playing the 3 tech, just as he would as a 4-3 DT.
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Either way...you don't draft Floyd based on his production. He's a potential guy, and the Chiefs have done TERRIBLY when they have drafted DL guys based on potential. Bust after bust after bust.

The Chiefs need to get proven players...period. Floyd does not qualify, I don't care how young he is. Sheldon was a better player at 18 than Floyd is now.
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Either way...you don't draft Floyd based on his production. He's a potential guy, and the Chiefs have done TERRIBLY when they have drafted DL guys based on potential. Bust after bust after bust.

The Chiefs need to get proven players...period. Floyd does not qualify, I don't care how young he is. Sheldon was a better player at 18 than Floyd is now.
What proven player is worth the #1 pick?
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