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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-11-2013, 10:00 AM   #3871
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It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Mr. Zimmerman has a curious history, including being a victim of an assault when he was about Mr. Martin's age. Mr. Zimmerman also was once charged with violence and battery on a law enforcement official, but those charges were dropped.

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Old 03-11-2013, 10:28 AM   #3872
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I agree only somewhat. I do think this brings up great conversation about how reckless we should allow people to be when they conceal and carry. More importantly let's hold them accountable. If you conceal and carry, you should NOT be abusing that privilege to start assuming police powers. Every conceal and carry gun owner I know is obsessive about personal responsibility. I imagine zimmerman had conceal and carry training, was likely trained in former security roles, and received basic training as neighborhood patrol. There are no excuses. He carried a concealed firearm and decided to be reckless with that privilege.

Second, it does raise questions about screening procedures for conceal and carry. Zimmerman bargained his way out of reducing one of his punishments to barely pass requirements for conceal and carry. He should not have passed the screen, given his history of having a hot temper.

Gun owners shouldn't rally around zimmerman. All gun owners I know are embarrassed by him because he treated his privilege so recklessly.
Don't let your personal opinions of this one incident lead you to swing too far in the other direction. As soon as you start cracking down on civilians using their weapons to "[assume] police responsibility", you'll have people standing by letting crimes occur because it's safer not to get involved. I'd rather tolerate the occasional Zimmerman than invite more Kitty Genoveses.
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:11 AM   #3873
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It would interesting to know where Zimmerman had the gun and his explanation for how he managed to get to it if he was getting annihilated in the fight.

Seems like his statements say that Martin saw the gun and struggled with him for it. The prosecution might argue and have evidence that Martin disengaged from the fight and that Zimmerman used the gun then.
This things have been released already, both by the coroner and the ballistic evidence.

He was shot at 'intermediate' range (which is further than 1 inches but less than 18inches....)...

There was powder residue on his sweatshirt, indicating a contact shot so the barrel was within an inch or even touching his shirt, and then the bullet traveled an inch or several more inches, before hitting TM.

Everything matches what GZ has said.....TM was on top, gravity pulled the sweat shirt down....which is why you have a close range shot through the sweatshirt but an 'intermediate' shot into the body. If he were standing, the two holes would be the same.

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Old 03-11-2013, 01:13 PM   #3874
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Feral teenager? You mean a kid walking down the street? What a stupid **** you are. You're racist, guaranteed.


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Old 03-11-2013, 01:15 PM   #3875
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:26 PM   #3876
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It's a good thing Bailey O’Neill didn't have a gun, or he'd be in BIG TROUBLE like Zimmerman.

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Old 03-11-2013, 01:42 PM   #3877
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It's a good thing Bailey O’Neill didn't have a gun, or he'd be in BIG TROUBLE like Zimmerman.

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Old 03-11-2013, 02:06 PM   #3878
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Don't let your personal opinions of this one incident lead you to swing too far in the other direction. As soon as you start cracking down on civilians using their weapons to "[assume] police responsibility", you'll have people standing by letting crimes occur because it's safer not to get involved. I'd rather tolerate the occasional Zimmerman than invite more Kitty Genoveses.
This isn't an isolated incident. I wouldn't have a problem if it was.

We are talking about a guy with a notorious streak for calling 911 to report petty incidences. A guy who was allegedly following people around to their homes even prior to the trayvon incident. And based on evidence provided, we are talking about a guy who was putting the full court press on a guy who for all we know was innocently walking home. A guy who was in constant communication with the police to get updates on nabbing the burglar.

Put yourself in the opposite end. You see a strange man following you in the dark. He never announces who he is or what he is doing. You are not armed but given the crime in that community, you wonder if the follower is. No, that doesn't justify beating the follower up. But you wouldn't be scared shitless? It's one thing to fall into a vigilante situation. It's another thing to obsess about being a hero in a vigilante situation.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:10 PM   #3879
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This isn't an isolated incident. I wouldn't have a problem if it was.

We are talking about a guy with a notorious streak for calling 911 to report petty incidences. A guy who was allegedly following people around to their homes even prior to the trayvon incident. And based on evidence provided, we are talking about a guy who was putting the full court press on a guy who for all we know was innocently walking home. A guy who was in constant communication with the police to get updates on nabbing the burglar.

Put yourself in the opposite end. You see a strange man following you in the dark. He never announces who he is or what he is doing. You are not armed but given the crime in that community, you wonder if the follower is. No, that doesn't justify beating the follower up. But you wouldn't be scared shitless? It's one thing to fall into a vigilante situation. It's another thing to obsess about being a hero in a vigilante situation.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:33 PM   #3880
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This isn't an isolated incident. I wouldn't have a problem if it was.

We are talking about a guy with a notorious streak for calling 911 to report petty incidences. A guy who was allegedly following people around to their homes even prior to the trayvon incident. And based on evidence provided, we are talking about a guy who was putting the full court press on a guy who for all we know was innocently walking home. A guy who was in constant communication with the police to get updates on nabbing the burglar.

Put yourself in the opposite end. You see a strange man following you in the dark. He never announces who he is or what he is doing. You are not armed but given the crime in that community, you wonder if the follower is. No, that doesn't justify beating the follower up. But you wouldn't be scared shitless? It's one thing to fall into a vigilante situation. It's another thing to obsess about being a hero in a vigilante situation.
A single example, by definition is an isolated incident. It doesn't matter whether Zimmerman has done everything you allege a thousand times, he's still just a single example and the laws shouldn't be changed to fix one man.

Having said that, I'm sure you could find a few other examples of aggressive behavior by a person with a CCP, but those are still the exception and not the rule.

BTW, I think you're way over the top on your Zimmerman accusations.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:24 PM   #3881
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A single example, by definition is an isolated incident. It doesn't matter whether Zimmerman has done everything you allege a thousand times, he's still just a single example and the laws shouldn't be changed to fix one man.

Having said that, I'm sure you could find a few other examples of aggressive behavior by a person with a CCP, but those are still the exception and not the rule.

BTW, I think you're way over the top on your Zimmerman accusations.
I don't think the laws need to be changed. And the only reason I can understand reason for bringing to trial is because zimmermans account seems very dishonest. I do hope this raises scrutiny over personal responsibility when you conceal and carry. Again, sadly, this is a black eye to the majority of conceal and carry people I know who are over procedural in their reaponaibility.

And no, I don't think I'm out of line in accusing zimmerman. I don't want average citizens with no training holding police powers. We don't need average untrained citizens carrying guns trying to enforce rules not based on reaction, but based on proactively finding trouble. Zimmerman's obsession with vigilante justice wasn't normal and was frankly really creepy.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:50 PM   #3883
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I don't think the laws need to be changed. And the only reason I can understand reason for bringing to trial is because zimmermans account seems very dishonest. I do hope this raises scrutiny over personal responsibility when you conceal and carry. Again, sadly, this is a black eye to the majority of conceal and carry people I know who are over procedural in their reaponaibility.

And no, I don't think I'm out of line in accusing zimmerman. I don't want average citizens with no training holding police powers. We don't need average untrained citizens carrying guns trying to enforce rules not based on reaction, but based on proactively finding trouble. Zimmerman's obsession with vigilante justice wasn't normal and was frankly really creepy.
Everything I've ever read about Zimmerman's past and the incident do not lead me to believe that he did anything wrong. The community they lived in frequently got robbed. And most times prior the police did not get there in time or show-up at all.
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Everything I've ever read about Zimmerman's past and the incident do not lead me to believe that he did anything wrong. The community they lived in frequently got robbed. And most times prior the police did not get there in time or show-up at all.
As a trained neighborhood patrol guy and a concealed and carry holder, he has specific protocol to follow. He did not follow them. Who knows how much different the situation would have been if he announced he was neighborhood patrol. That simple step. Trayvon probably would have went home instead of feeling threatened and Zimmerman would have diffused the situation, assuming there was a situation.

What incentive did zimmerman have for chasing after trayvon except to either get in his face or to nab him in the act? And why would zimmerman be so inconsistent in his account of the events leading up to the scuffle? Again, he did nothing illegal, just something really douchey. And we shouldn't continue to apologize for him for that.
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Everything I've ever read about Zimmerman's past and the incident do not lead me to believe that he did anything wrong. The community they lived in frequently got robbed. And most times prior the police did not get there in time or show-up at all.
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