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listopencil · 03-15-2013, 10:28 PM

Rand Paul Introduces ‘Life at Conception Act’
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...onception-act/
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul on Thursday introduced the “Life At Conception Act,” saying that the “right to life is guaranteed to all Americans.”

“I plan to ensure this is upheld,” the Republican senator added.

“Sen. Paul introduced S.583, a bill that would implement equal protection under the 14th Amendment for the right to life of each born and unborn human,” the senator’s office said, per a press release.

“This legislation does not amend or interpret the Constitution, but simply relies on the 14th Amendment, which specifically authorizes Congress to enforce its provisions,” his office adds.

Here is what Section 1 of the 14th Amendment states:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The bill has 15 cosponsors (all Republican) including Sens. John Barrasso (Wyo.), John Boozman (Ark.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Daniel Coats (Ind.), Thomas Coburn (Okla.), Michael Enzi (Wyo.), Deb Fischer (Neb.), Charles “Chuck” Grassley (Iowa), John Hoeven (N.D.), James “Jim” Inhofe (Okla.), Mike Johanns (Neb.), Jerry Moran (Kan.), James Risch (Idaho), John Thune (S.D.), and Roger Wicker (Miss.)

“The Life at Conception Act legislatively declares what most Americans believe and what science has long known — that human life begins at the moment of conception, and therefore is entitled to legal protection,” Sen. Paul said.

“The right to life is guaranteed to all Americans in the Declaration of Independence and ensuring this is upheld is the Constitutional duty of all Members of Congress,” he added.

Senator Rand PaulVerified account ‏@SenRandPaul Introduced Life at Conception Act. The right to life is guaranteed to all Americans & I plan to ensure this is upheld.

http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/documents/LCA.pdf

go bowe · 03-16-2013, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DementedLogic

Zygotes aren't what are being aborted, since a woman doesn't even know of the existence of the zygote until it has matured past that stage.

I am interested in knowing if you believe that if a fetus with a heart beat constitutes human life.

i don't know, but my view is a woman should have control over her own body, so that issue doesn't really matter that much to me...

i think abortion should remain legal and safe and should not be unduly restricted by men with a religious agenda...

go bowe · 03-16-2013, 11:50 PM

actually, no...

a heartbeat does not necessarily equal viability...

if the fetus cannot survive outside the mother's womb, it is not viable and not entitled to any legal protections...

ClevelandBronco · 03-17-2013, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Ok you've lost me with that.

Where did I lose you? Do you have a specific question?

KILLER_CLOWN · 03-17-2013, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Where did I lose you? Do you have a specific question?

The Law is for EVERYONE, and since we couldn't follow it GOD sent his only begotten son to die for our sins. No more animal sacrifice needed.

ClevelandBronco · 03-17-2013, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

The Law is for EVERYONE, and since we couldn't follow it GOD sent his only begotten son to die for our sins. No more animal sacrifice needed.

Where did you get that idea? Jewish law is for Chinese? Jewish law is for Muslims? Jewish law is for the Inuit?

KILLER_CLOWN · 03-17-2013, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Where did you get that idea? Jewish law is for Chinese? Jewish law is for Muslims? Jewish law is for the Inuit?

If you are here, it applies to you.

ClevelandBronco · 03-17-2013, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

If you are here, it applies to you.

No, thanks.

KILLER_CLOWN · 03-17-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

No, thanks.

Well there are two choices.

ClevelandBronco · 03-17-2013, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Well there are two choices.

Oh, goody. Religion.

KILLER_CLOWN · 03-17-2013, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Oh, goody. Religion.

No, eternal life offers two choices.

ClevelandBronco · 03-17-2013, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

No, eternal life offers two choices.

Yeah, I think we agree on the Jesus thing. Our fundamental disconnect seems to be elsewhere. Just speaking for myself, I don't need Jesus because I'm lousy at being Jewish.

And I'm not really motivated by the eternal life bit. If it turns out that it's part of the package, that's gravy.

KILLER_CLOWN · 03-17-2013, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

And I'm not really motivated by the eternal life bit. If it turns out that it's part of the package, that's gravy.

Heh, I'm definitely motivated eye has not seen and ear has not heard what wonderful things lie in store for us. You don't have to be "Jewish" as in the old testament kind but he did lay out some rules for us that are best followed.

DementedLogic · 03-17-2013, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by go bowe

i don't know, but my view is a woman should have control over her own body, so that issue doesn't really matter that much to me...

i think abortion should remain legal and safe and should not be unduly restricted by men with a religious agenda...

Is a fetus part of a woman'a body? If it is, then why does it have it's own DNA?

DementedLogic · 03-17-2013, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by go bowe

actually, no...

a heartbeat does not necessarily equal viability...

if the fetus cannot survive outside the mother's womb, it is not viable and not entitled to any legal protections...

A baby has survived outside of the mother's womb at less than 22 weeks. Would you support abortion at 22 weeks?

ClevelandBronco · 03-17-2013, 01:59 AM

It was years until my kids could survive outside the womb.

03-15-2013, 10:28 PM
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