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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why weíre not more emotional,Ē Matheny said in his office after Sundayís game. ďThey say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. Thatís what got us here. This isnít the time to change it.Ē

Itís hard to argue with the managerís assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinalsí veterans still havenít forgotten. They still arenít over it. Itís why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliakís urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
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Old 03-21-2013, 03:39 PM   #151
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In that scenario we're essentially trading flipping two more known commodities (given Hardy's MLB experience and our familiarity with Taveras) for two lesser known commodities with similar levels of upside.

You obviously get more years of use if Adams hits, but he also plays the most easily replaceable position in the game.

Besides, several of Texas' prospects over the last few years have been overrated (Smoak, Feliz, Moreland). Not Angels overrated, but overrated nonetheless.
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Conflated Profrar with Andrus.
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I'd rather trade Holliday for Andrus, but I don't see that happening.
Why would Holliday ever accept a trade? Holliday is here for the duration.
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I'd rather have Adams and Profar than O-Tav and Hardy.
It's tempting but damn its hard for me to get behind trading Taveras. I know it makes sense. Craig goes to right. Adams to 1B and we get the best young SS in baseball. I can see why they are talking. Seems to benefit both teams.

But, like Hamas says, the rangers have a history of overvaluing prospects. I hope the Cardinals know lock/stock/barrel/print em/bet the mortgage that Profar is the real deal to pull the trigger on this deal.
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It's tempting but damn its hard for me to get behind trading Taveras. I know it makes sense. Craig goes to right. Adams to 1B and we get the best young SS in baseball. I can see why they are talking. Seems to benefit both teams.

But, like Hamas says, the rangers have a history of overvaluing prospects. I hope the Cardinals know lock/stock/barrel/print em/bet the mortgage that Profar is the real deal to pull the trigger on this deal.
Like I said - you'd better trust your scouts. Not Texas's.

It's not a trade you make this week. Send your top couple of scouts to follow the kid for a week and decide how you want to go from there.

You absolutely, positively, cannot be wrong. Taveras has as low a floor as you'll see in this game for prospects. You simply don't have that kind of bat control and suck.

But I don't see how you can look at the power that Profar's generated at such a young age and with so much more room for growth in his frame, not to mention his plate discipline, and salivate at the thought of building an infield around him for the next decade.
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Why would Holliday ever accept a trade? Holliday is here for the duration.
Because the Rangers aren't exactly the Astros.

Playing in Texas and having the opportunity to rest a bit at DH here and there, may be appealing to him.

I don't see why he'd veto a trade, truth be told. The Rangers are as good or better a fit for him as the Cardinals. The fans are good, the weather is great, no income tax and a park that will inflate his HR totals. What's not to like?
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Because the Rangers aren't exactly the Astros.

Playing in Texas and having the opportunity to rest a bit at DH here and there, may be appealing to him.

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e, truth be told. The Rangers are as good or better a fit for him as the Cardinals. The fans are good, the weather is great, no income tax and a park that will inflate his HR totals. What's not to like?
So even though he plays for a contender why wold he not want to get traded to another contender in another state rather than stay where he is happy, comfortable, and resides?

And then you have the fact being a Cardinal > than being a Ranger.

Whats not to like right?
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So even though he plays for a contender why wold he not want to get traded to another contender in another state rather than stay where he is happy, comfortable, and resides?

And then you have the fact being a Cardinal > than being a Ranger.

Whats not to like right?
He'd be playing for a contender that told him they thought they'd be better without him.

Vetoing a trade is not a rare occurrence, but it's not terribly common either. Most players, if offered a similar situation, will consent to a trade (or at least try to leverage a few $$ out of it).

We're not sending him to the Pirates - there are few places in baseball better for a hitter to get traded to than the Texas Rangers. I think there's an 80% chance he'd accept the trade.
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Looks like Waino and the Cardinals both want to get a long term deal before the season starts.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseb...21491b32b.html

If we sign Pujols, We don't sign Waino, Molina, Westbrook or extend Craig.

I'm okay if Waino is not a Cy Young calibur pitcher in two years. Who better to teach our young pitchers the right way to pitch at the "big show" level than Waino and I hear Carp is going to hang with the team. Waino has already took Miller under his wing. My uncle the Cardinals coach told me that it really started to click with Miller last season after he spent the weekend with Waino.
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Looks like Waino and the Cardinals both want to get a long term deal before the season starts.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseb...21491b32b.html

If we sign Pujols, We don't sign Waino, Molina, Westbrook or extend Craig.
Which is why it was a good move to let him walk in FA. It would have screwed us in the long run. Hopefully Beltran has a repeat performance of last season, he helped fill the void of A.P.
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Looks like Waino and the Cardinals both want to get a long term deal before the season starts.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseb...21491b32b.html

If we sign Pujols, We don't sign Waino, Molina, Westbrook or extend Craig.

I'm okay if Waino is not a Cy Young calibur pitcher in two years. Who better to teach our young pitchers the right way to pitch at the "big show" level than Waino and I hear Carp is going to hang with the team. Waino has already took Miller under his wing. My uncle the Cardinals coach told me that it really started to click with Miller last season after he spent the weekend with Waino.
You're oversimplifying things.
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Because the Rangers aren't exactly the Astros.

Playing in Texas and having the opportunity to rest a bit at DH here and there, may be appealing to him.

I don't see why he'd veto a trade, truth be told. The Rangers are as good or better a fit for him as the Cardinals. The fans are good, the weather is great, no income tax and a park that will inflate his HR totals. What's not to like?
The thought crossed my mind too. Craig in left, Adams at first, Taveras backing up Beltran/Jan for a year. It would be sweet, plus you save some cash for a few years to pay Andrus if you like what you see. It won't happen, because I suspect Holliday is looked at as a player who has already peaked, although they know they likely can't keep Andrus and Profar both happy. Neither wants to play 2nd in their primes.
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