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Old 03-19-2013, 03:25 PM  
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Assault Weapons Ban Dropped From Senate Bill

A ban on assault weapons won't be included in major gun legislation set to take shape this week -- all but guaranteeing it won't pass Congress.

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a onetime ally of the National Rifle Association, informed California Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Monday that the proposal to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines won't be included in a broad package of new gun laws that's taking shape this week and will be considered on the Senate floor in April.

"People say well, are you disappointed? Obviously I'm disappointed," Feinstein told reporters Tuesday. Feinstein has worked on gun violence issues for decades.

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Old 03-21-2013, 12:39 AM   #61
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You are right just like registering, licensing, and insuring my car won't save a single life either. But I still have to do it. WAIT THOUGH, there is people that don't register, license or get car insurance and still drive on our roads and crash and kill people, well damn I guess we shouldn't have that law anymore.

We should just let every swinging dick and their blind and deaf grandma drive no worries.
Ahh, we agree.

Now since you have gone on the deep end with hyperbole, please tell me what NATIONAL agency you register your car with, because I have only had to do it with the state I live in.

Thanks for proving my point.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:07 AM   #62
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THERE IS NOT CURRENTLY A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM BUYING A GUN NOR WILL THERE EVER BE! That is the entire ****ing point and what got you and I started on this discussion. The black market is going to continue to exist regardless. People who shouldn't have guns are always going to have a way to get them. Meaning that these utterly pointless background checks you support......

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Don't stop criminals. They ONLY affect the already law abiding citizen.




Your real life example proves nothing. Gangs existed before guns. Gains committed crimes, yes even murder before guns. Tighter gun laws, or even destroying every single gun in the world will not lower crime or violence rates. People will still war, murder, steal, rape, pillage and plunder just as they did for centuries before the fire arms existence. Your argument is based in emotional nonsense and not logic.



No problem with any of that. While I obviously am in favor of things being much less restrictive, I can live with a freeze of the current state of being in addition to actually prosecuting those who violate gun laws.



You can try all you want but, these laws aren't going to stop the bad guys from getting guns. They are only going to...... Well, you know the rest by now.
The only thing I am waiting for is for you to grow a brain. Every year 100,000-150,000 people get denied buying guns because they aren't supposed to. Those people probably don't count though. Of course there will be a black market just like there is for drugs that doesn't mean we don't try to stop it or try to prevent people that shouldn't have guns from getting them. I bet you didn't know suspected terrorists can legally purchase guns and explosives here in the US. That is what stupid people like you support.

As I have said many times before the gun debate is just like the abortion debate. Reading through your posts about abortion I take it you think it should be illegal. But guess what genius abortions have been happening since the beginning of time, you can't stop abortions because there will always be a black market so we shouldn't try to do anything about it.

For my part I support reasonable common sense pragmatic laws to guns and abortions. There should be some restrictions on abortions like none in the 3rd trimester and parental consent. Just like there should be universal background checks and mandatory sentences for owning or possessing a illegal gun.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:13 AM   #63
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Ahh, we agree.

Now since you have gone on the deep end with hyperbole, please tell me what NATIONAL agency you register your car with, because I have only had to do it with the state I live in.

Thanks for proving my point.
You don't register with a national agency but the state sends your data to national database. It is called the National Motor Vehicle Title Information System. All your vehicle and personal information is put into the National database.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:58 AM   #64
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Hey Dirk, last time I checked, the President of the United States and numerous powerful national and state level politicians weren't trying to confiscate our cars.
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:54 AM   #65
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Hamfisted Bidens on tv now pushing for a full on assault weapons ban.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:00 AM   #66
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This should give a few moonbats a stroke (that's why I'm posting it):



NASCAR and guns. Throw in some heterosex, an American flag and some beer and cigarettes and we can kill off a few thousand moonbats.
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:39 AM   #67
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Hey Dirk, last time I checked, the President of the United States and numerous powerful national and state level politicians weren't trying to confiscate our cars.
I'm wondering if the Dems even try go with Biden for POTUS next time around. It's sort of a tradition but the guy's a loon.
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:03 PM   #68
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I'm wondering if the Dems even try go with Biden for POTUS next time around. It's sort of a tradition but the guy's a loon.
God I hope so.
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:59 PM   #69
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The only thing I am waiting for is for you to grow a brain. Every year 100,000-150,000 people get denied buying guns because they aren't supposed to. Those people probably don't count though.
Oh, a few of them count......

"The FBI conducted over six million NICS transfer checks in 2010 and denied over 72,000 applications, a denial rate of about 1%. The most common reason for denial by the FBI was a record of a felony indictment or conviction (over 47%), followed by fugitives from justice (19%), and state law prohibitions (about 11%) (Table 1). Other reasons included drug use or addiction (about 10%), domestic violence misdemeanor convictions (over 6%), and domestic violence restraining orders (over 4%) (Appendix table A).

"A total of 62 charges from the 2010 cases were referred by field offices for consideration by prosecutors. The most common charge referred was submitting falsified information when buying firearms, which accounted for 22 charges and 36% of all charges. The second and third most common charges were possession of a firearm by a convicted felon (11 charges or approximately 18%) and possession of a firearm after a domestic abuse charge (7 charges or about 11%)."

Of the 62 charges referred from the 2010 cases, 18 (29%) had been declined by a prosecutor as of December 13, 2011. A guilty plea was obtained on 13 charges (about 21%) and 10 charges (about 16%) were dismissed as part of a plea agreement. Twelve charges (approximately 19%) were still pending action by a prosecutor as of December 13, 2011. (Table 6.) In addition, five charges (8%) were dismissed prior to or after an indictment."

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/239272.pdf


So, yeah, fewer than 60 actually count.

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Of course there will be a black market just like there is for drugs that doesn't mean we don't try to stop it or try to prevent people that shouldn't have guns from getting them. I bet you didn't know suspected terrorists can legally purchase guns and explosives here in the US. That is what stupid people like you support.
Suspected terrorists? As in not yet proven guilty of terrorism? So now you want to deny people the ability to practice a right based on a hunch? Who's the stupid person here?

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As I have said many times before the gun debate is just like the abortion debate. Reading through your posts about abortion I take it you think it should be illegal. But guess what genius abortions have been happening since the beginning of time, you can't stop abortions because there will always be a black market so we shouldn't try to do anything about it.
The gun debate and the abortion debate are not just alike. Good grief. The former is a Constitutional right acknowledged by forefathers as essential to liberty. The latter is not enumerated with in that document. It is the result of an activist court. You are comparing apples to oranges there, bud.

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For my part I support reasonable common sense pragmatic laws to guns and abortions. There should be some restrictions on abortions like none in the 3rd trimester and parental consent. Just like there should be universal background checks and mandatory sentences for owning or possessing a illegal gun.
You are welcome to your opinion, wrong though it may be.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:37 PM   #70
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Trafficking crackdown may be Obama's best chance on gun control

"Two senators involved in the gun debate said on Wednesday that a bill to tackle trafficking looks like it is the gun control measure with the most chance of success.

"The most likely bill to pass" is a measure that would make it a federal crime to purchase guns for someone who is barred from owning one, said Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate.

Such transactions, dubbed "straw purchases," allow criminals to obtain firearms while avoiding background checks."
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:21 PM   #71
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http://news.yahoo.com/trafficking-cr...023610834.html

Trafficking crackdown may be Obama's best chance on gun control

"Two senators involved in the gun debate said on Wednesday that a bill to tackle trafficking looks like it is the gun control measure with the most chance of success.

"The most likely bill to pass" is a measure that would make it a federal crime to purchase guns for someone who is barred from owning one, said Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate.

Such transactions, dubbed "straw purchases," allow criminals to obtain firearms while avoiding background checks."

Wow.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:24 PM   #72
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This shit aint over by a long shot people. Pay close attention to this UN arms treaty bull shit
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:29 PM   #73
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This shit aint over by a long shot people. Pay close attention to this UN arms treaty bull shit
No and I don't see whack jobs like Feinstein stopping until they get something they see as "progress" which will amount to the first step.

Also with stupid states like Colorado passing BS laws it just serves to galvanize the ignorant masses.
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If they want to pass empty laws to make themselves feel good, I really don't care.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:49 PM   #75
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If they want to pass empty laws to make themselves feel good, I really don't care.
My concern would be that it is a vehicle for another goal. It starts out this but, what gets thrown into the mix on down the line?
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