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View Poll Results: Should we have invaded Iraq on 3/19/03?
Yes 16 15.53%
No 84 81.55%
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:56 AM  
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Invasion of Iraq 10 years later: Good move or mistake

10 years ago today the US invaded Iraq to overthrow the regime of Saddam Hussein. The after-effects of that decision are still being felt to this day, and obviously will continue to play out in the years and decades to come. At this milestone, however, knowing everything that you know now, should we have gone in, or not?

Regrets and hypotheticals aren't really the goal here. We could go on and on (and have, many times) about how the post-invasion situation was handled, etc. ad infinitum. You should vote simply on the facts as they have actually occurred over the last 10 years.

Poll forthcoming. Note that it will be a public poll.
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:16 PM   #286
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:37 PM   #287
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It's only one THING, not things. And you cited a non-existent episode of Meet the Press instead of posting a youtube or a link. So what am I supposed to think?
The exact date is on the Hubris documentary. I went to Google and you tube to watch the whole taped segment and not just the quote they showed.

It does exist. Google it yourself. It's a fact. He said it. There is videotape.
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:41 PM   #288
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Wow at those poll results.
yeah this forum's polls usually skew about a far right as politically possible.
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:48 PM   #289
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yeah this forum's polls usually skew about a far right as politically possible.
What if we didn't and Hussein stayed in power.
Would Qadafi still be in power?
Mubarek?
Civil war in Syria?

I'm just curious what you think the middle east would look like today. Better? Worse?
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Old 03-23-2013, 03:24 PM   #290
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The exact date is on the Hubris documentary. I went to Google and you tube to watch the whole taped segment and not just the quote they showed.

It does exist. Google it yourself. It's a fact. He said it. There is videotape.
I don't know what this Hubris documentary you're talking about it is because I don't spend much time in the liberal media bubble.

There was no Meet the Press on that date. They don't do Meet the Press on Fridays. So no, it can't possibly exist. Now if you got the date wrong, that's fine, just figure out what you're talking about and get back to me. Right now it looks a lot like you're just blowing smoke.
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Old 03-23-2013, 04:01 PM   #291
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Old 03-23-2013, 04:16 PM   #292
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yeah this forum's polls usually skew about a far right as politically possible.
Which really tells you something, that it's still an overwhelming no.

Also I love the attitude that we can never discuss giant mistakes like this in the context of electing a Republican president going forward. For some reason that's just not allowed, even though the odds Gore would have packed his cabinet with neocons who have always wanted to invade Iraq since the first Gulf War are infinitesimal.

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Old 03-23-2013, 04:23 PM   #293
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Which really tells you something, that it's still an overwhelming no.

Also I love the attitude that we can never discuss giant mistakes like this in the context of electing a Republican president going forward. For some reason that's just not allowed, even though the odds Gore would have packed his cabinet with neocons who have always wanted to invade Iraq since the first Gulf War are infinitesimal.

Republicans: we must forget the mistakes of history in order to move forward, because er... something something
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Which really tells you something, that it's still an overwhelming no.

Also I love the attitude that we can never discuss giant mistakes like this in the context of electing a Republican president going forward. For some reason that's just not allowed, even though the odds Gore would have packed his cabinet with neocons who have always wanted to invade Iraq since the first Gulf War are infinitesimal.

Republicans: we must forget the mistakes of history in order to move forward, because er... something something
One thing it might tell you, if you're open to thinking about this objectively, is how much Barack Obama has bungled the follow up job.

It also might tell you that some people think overturning Saddam's regime was not worth ushering in a new era of democrat control at home.

But I'm sure you don't entertain these possibilities because they aren't middle of the road thoughts.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:50 PM   #295
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Pat, if you still think Iraq was a good idea, then clearly nothing is going to change your mind. I realize some of those guys were your heroes but honestly, I dont see how anyone could believe it was good for anyone involved. Except Halliburton, that is.
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Pat, if you still think Iraq was a good idea, then clearly nothing is going to change your mind. I realize some of those guys were your heroes but honestly, I dont see how anyone could believe it was good for anyone involved. Except Halliburton, that is.
I think it was something that had to be done. I think we've bungled the follow-up badly though and that's as much the fault of a fickle population as it is poor leadership.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:06 PM   #297
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:40 AM   #298
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I'm still waiting to hear what your point was in post 61. Once you make a point, I'll respond to it. If you can't answer this baseline question, there's really nothing to talk about.



Are you changing the subject again? In post 61 you were blathering about misleading statements by key administration officials, now you're just talking about faulty intelligence. You really need to focus a little tighter on whatever your point is.
I know you lack reading comprehension, but what is really so hard about figuring out the point of the post was that officials made misleading statements about the War in Iraq. The sold B.S. intelligence to the public.

Can you disprove that? With your own evidence?

Let us stick with two examples:

3/5/02 Joe Wilson tells CIA there's no indication that Iraq is buying yellowcake. [Date the public knew: 7/6/03]

This tells us that the Administration knew that Iraq did not have yellow cake, but the Administration withheld that information from the public until after we had gone into Iraq. Therefore, the American public was purposely mislead on Iraq.

3/15/02 British intel reports that there's only "sporadic and patchy" evidence of Iraqi WMD. "There is no intelligence on any [biological weapons] production facilities." [Date the public knew: 9/18/04]

Same with this one. The Administration withheld vital information to sell the war.

Can you prove that the administration did not withhold information?
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:42 AM   #299
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Horrible mistake. Every supposed reason for going to war was either proven false or overblown. It was all about regime change and getting our hands on Iraqi oil.

The execution of the war was criminally incompetent. We used three times as many troops in the first Gulf War and didn't plan to occupy a hostile country afterwards. The decisions were fueled by yes men afraid of telling Rumsfeld the plan was poised to fail.

We pulled out of Afghanistan putting the security of that country at grave risk which allowed Bin Laden to escape. It shouldn't have taken 13 years to get out of Afghanistan.

The war is also one of the major contributors to the deficit. If you voted for the Iraq war and continued tax cuts for the 1%, you should have zero room to talk about deficits.
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