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Old 06-05-2012, 12:15 PM  
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Court Says Gay Rights Trump Religious Rights
By Todd Starnes

The New Mexico Court of Appeals upheld a ruling by the state’s Civil Rights Commission that a Christian photographer who refused to take pictures of a gay couple’s commitment ceremony violated the state’s discrimination law.

“Elane Photography may not discriminate in its commercial activities against protected classes as the basis for expressing its religious freedom,” Judge Tim Garcia wrote in a 45-page ruling.

The case dates back to 2006 when Vanessa Willock tried to hire Elane Photography for a “same-gender ceremony.” New Mexico law does not recognize either marriage or civil unions between persons of the same sex.

Elane Hugenin declined to accept the job and explained to Willock that because of their Christian beliefs the studio only handled “traditional weddings.”

In 2008 the New Mexico Human Rights Commission found Elane Photography guilty of “sexual orientation” discrimination. The studio is owned by a young Christian husband and wife who based their refusal on their religious beliefs.

The Court of Appeals determined that a photo studio is considered a public accommodation – much like a restaurant or a store. As such, the photo studio may not refuse services based on sexual orientation or gender identity – even if doing so would violate the religious principles of the owners.

“The owners of Elane Photography must accept the reasonable regulations and restrictions imposed upon the conduct of their commercial enterprise despite their personal religious beliefs that may conflict with these government interests,” Garcia wrote.

The Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal advocacy group, represented the photography studio. They plan to appeal the ruling.

“Americans in the marketplace should not be subjected to legal attacks for simply abiding by their beliefs,” senior counsel Jordan Lorence said in a statement. “Because the Constitution prohibits the state from forcing unwilling artists to promote a message they disagree with, we will certainly appeal this decision to the New Mexico Supreme Court.”

But the court ruled that once a business offers a service publicly, they must do so “without impermissible exception.”

Elane Photography posed a hypothetical situation to support its argument – imaging what would happen if an African-American photographer refused to photograph a Ku-Klux-Klan rally because the photographer “wanted to refrain from using her photography to communicate a message that she finds deeply offensive.”

However, Judge Garcia said the argument fails as a matter of law.

“The Ku-Klux-Klan is not a protected class,” he wrote. “Sexual orientation, however, is protected.”

The court ruled that the Christian photography company must pay fines totaling nearly $7,000.

You can read the entire court decision by clicking here.

Todd is the author of “Dispatches From Bitter America.” The book is endorsed by Sarah Palin, Mark Levin and Sean Hannity. Click here to get your copy!
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:32 PM   #31
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WTF is this? Why do you keep bumping shit nobody but you gives a **** about?
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:45 PM   #32
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WTF is this? Why do you keep bumping shit nobody but you gives a **** about?
I think it's interesting that the nazi party was full of homosexuals. Did you know that most serial killers are homosexuals?

it's fascinating stuff.
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:49 PM   #33
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I think it's interesting that the nazi party was full of homosexuals. Did you know that most serial killers are homosexuals?

it's fascinating stuff.
Look I don't give a damn that its obvious you are a homosexual. Duh everyone already knows that.

Just shutup about it. Despite the fact I just bought a very good Pro camera doesn't mean you can compel me to shoot your gay wedding.
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:52 PM   #34
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Naturally, in the paramilitary organization of the SA, Hitler Youth, etc., even the elite SS, the forms of homosexuality that are characteristic of such all-male bodies were as common as they always are...it was quite fundamental to Nazi ideology that men were to be properly “masculine”...when male homosexuality disguises itself as a cult of “manliness” and virility, it is less obnoxious from the fascist standpoint than is the softening of the gender division that homosexuality invariably involves when it is allowed to express itself freely (Heger:10f).

This, then, is the explanation for the paradox of the Nazi persecution of homosexuals. It is found in the history of two irreconcilable philosophies linked by a common sexual dysfunction. The roots of this conflict extend back into the eighteenth century and span a 70-year period which saw the rise of homosexual militancy in the movement that gave Nazism to the world.
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:53 PM   #35
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Where should he post these gay-related items that he's been posting? Should he clutter up an active thread with off-topic stuff? You don't need to read these bumped threads. The DC front page gives you the original post date and the last poster who posted so you can easily avoid them.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:01 PM   #36
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Hey look. I'm just looking to point out something that I think is interesting. Right now in America, we have a radical gay movement pushing it's agenda. They talk about anti-bullying but if you look and see it's them who are doing all the bullying.

I'm just saying their are similarities between this movement and the Nazi movement. Disagree, thats fine. But I'm giving you facts.

Radical homosexual control mass media and the entertainment industry. We saw the same shit in nazi germany.

LOOK IT UP.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:01 PM   #37
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Where should he post these gay-related items that he's been posting? Should he clutter up an active thread with off-topic stuff? You don't need to read these bumped threads. The DC front page gives you the original post date and the last poster who posted so you can easily avoid them.
Is he not allowed to start his own thread? Maybe something titled "General Bigotry".
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:02 PM   #38
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Is he not allowed to start his own thread? Maybe something titled "General Bigotry".
No. I can't start threads. Why don't you start one.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:04 PM   #39
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Where should he post these gay-related items that he's been posting? Should he clutter up an active thread with off-topic stuff? You don't need to read these bumped threads. The DC front page gives you the original post date and the last poster who posted so you can easily avoid them.
He's bumping obscure threads for irrelevant posts. It's annoying. If Frankie were the one doing it, I'd doubt you'd be a big fan, either.

If you find this information about gay nazis interesting, I'd recommend the two of you take it to PMs, or maybe friend him on Facebook and chat it up there. Of course, that would completely remove the opportunity for him to be annoying in this forum, or for you to white kight him just becasue you can. The rest of us would be ok with that, though.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:06 PM   #40
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Hey look. I'm just looking to point out something that I think is interesting. Right now in America, we have a radical gay movement pushing it's agenda. They talk about anti-bullying but if you look and see it's them who are doing all the bullying.

I'm just saying their are similarities between this movement and the Nazi movement. Disagree, thats fine. But I'm giving you facts.

Radical homosexual control mass media and the entertainment industry. We saw the same shit in nazi germany.

LOOK IT UP.


So now we're a country full of nazis for not turning a blind eye to bullying. Brilliant.

Obama getting re-elected has really fried your wires. You need a productive hobby. Take up checkers or something.
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When it comes to wedding photography why on earth would you want someone to photograph it if they are so out of line with how you believe. I wonder how this client\photographer match even began in the first place.

Weird situation. Don't understand it.

I mean I decline wedding clients if it doesn't feel like a good match personality wise or if they are assholes.
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He's bumping obscure threads for irrelevant posts. It's annoying. If Frankie were the one doing it, I'd doubt you'd be a big fan, either.

If you find this information about gay nazis interesting, I'd recommend the two of you take it to PMs, or maybe friend him on Facebook and chat it up there. Of course, that would completely remove the opportunity for him to be annoying in this forum, or for you to white kight him just becasue you can. The rest of us would be ok with that, though.
Thus we found an obscure reference to Hitler as a Manichaean in Steven Katz’s The Holocaust in Historical Context, Volume 1, of interest. Arthur Evans’ Witchcraft and the Gay Counterculture provides some illumination here. Mani, for whom Manichaeism is named, was a third century Prince of Babylon who devised his own form of Gnosticism. Gnostics blended pagan sex rituals and Mother Goddess worship with elements of New Testament Christianity and “rejected Jehovah God as an evil demon.” Manichaeism imposed on Gnosticism a caste system of leaders (elect) and followers (hearers).

A Manichaean sect called the Bogomils (later called the Cathars) arose in Bulgaria and spread across Europe. Homosexuality became so closely associated with these Bulgarian heretics that the practice became known as “buggery.” Indeed, “the word for Cathar in most European languages came to be the word for homosexual: in German, Ketzer, in Italian, Gazarro, and in French, Herite....Heresy and homosexuality became so interchangeable that those accused of heresy attempted to prove their innocence by claiming heterosexuality” (Evans:51ff).

We probably all take for granted the fact that today our modern world culture is dominated by the religions based on the Mosaic law (i.e. Judaism, Christianity and Islam). In their orthodox forms each of these religions regards homosexuality as an abomination. But pagan cultures have no such prohibition. (By definition, pagans are people who are not Jews, Christians or Moslems). In pagan cultures, homosexuals as a group often hold an elevated position in religion and society. When pagan civilizations ruled the world, homosexuality and pederasty were widely practiced and accepted.
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He's bumping obscure threads for irrelevant posts. It's annoying. If Frankie were the one doing it, I'd doubt you'd be a big fan, either.

If you find this information about gay nazis interesting, I'd recommend the two of you take it to PMs, or maybe friend him on Facebook and chat it up there. Of course, that would completely remove the opportunity for him to be annoying in this forum, or for you to white kight him just becasue you can. The rest of us would be ok with that, though.
I don't have any problem with Frankie or anyone else bumping old threads. I might make fun of them for the things they post, but I'm not going to whine about bumps. I don't think there's anything wrong with thread bumps unless it starts to crowd out active threads. Right now, DC is a pretty low-traffic forum.

He wouldn't be bumping these threads if he were allowed to create new ones, btw.
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I don't have any problem with Frankie or anyone else bumping old threads. I might make fun of them for the things they post, but I'm not going to whine about bumps. I don't think there's anything wrong with thread bumps unless it starts to crowd out active threads. Right now, DC is a pretty low-traffic forum.

He wouldn't be bumping these threads if he were allowed to create new ones, btw.
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When it comes to wedding photography why on earth would you want someone to photograph it if they are so out of line with how you believe. I wonder how this client\photographer match even began in the first place.

Weird situation. Don't understand it.

I mean I decline wedding clients if it doesn't feel like a good match personality wise or if they are assholes.
Most likely, it was a set up with litigation in mind. And apparently this Christian photographer was too willing to explain their reason for declining the opportunity.
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