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View Poll Results: Should we have invaded Iraq on 3/19/03?
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:56 AM  
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Invasion of Iraq 10 years later: Good move or mistake

10 years ago today the US invaded Iraq to overthrow the regime of Saddam Hussein. The after-effects of that decision are still being felt to this day, and obviously will continue to play out in the years and decades to come. At this milestone, however, knowing everything that you know now, should we have gone in, or not?

Regrets and hypotheticals aren't really the goal here. We could go on and on (and have, many times) about how the post-invasion situation was handled, etc. ad infinitum. You should vote simply on the facts as they have actually occurred over the last 10 years.

Poll forthcoming. Note that it will be a public poll.
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Old 03-24-2013, 02:44 PM   #316
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Perfect. Thank you.

Neither of these two specific items means what you think they mean. You've experienced a logic failure.



No, this doesn't mean that the Administration knew Iraq did not have yellow cake. First of all, the allegation was that they were trying to get yellow cake, not that they actually had it. Second, the Joe Wilson input is just one of multiple inputs to the intelligence picture. Other inputs indicated that Iraq did indeed attempt to get yellow cake.

The statement of the administration wasn't that Joe Wilson had confirmed an Iraqi attempt to get yellow cake (which could have been a lie), it was that British Intelligence had indicated that Iraq was attempting to get yellow cake. Not only is that not misleading, it's literally true. The Butler Report which resulted from a British investigation into pre-war intelligence concluded that the Bush administration's statement on yellow cake was "well founded".



Again, your source is cherry picking individual intelligence inputs without looking at the broad picture of intelligence from which final assessments are drawn.



Is this a serious question? No one argues that the administration was an open book when it came intelligence, nor should they have been. Governments keep secrets for national security purposes. Is this news to you?
So you got nothing? Your own spin doesn't count.
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Old 03-24-2013, 02:45 PM   #317
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Maintaining the ability to have a user friendly government in place had much to do with it. Guess what there is not a ****ing thing wrong with that. I posted a video a few posts back where Hitchens talks on this subject. I still need to spend some time on this topic. The shitbag liberals take a fashionable stance on this and they can ****off~
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Old 03-24-2013, 02:46 PM   #318
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So you got nothing? Your own spin doesn't count.
I've got the undeniable truth that one dissenting piece of evidence in a sea of evidence does not constitute knowledge that that one piece of evidence was right and everything else was wrong. It's more than you've got after posting pages of cut-and-paste propaganda in this thread.
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Old 03-24-2013, 02:51 PM   #319
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I've got the undeniable truth that one dissenting piece of evidence in a sea of evidence does not constitute knowledge that that one piece of evidence was right and everything else was wrong. It's more than you've got after posting pages of cut-and-paste propaganda in this thread.
All you have done this thread is tell people why their sources cannot be relied upon. Anyone moron can say "propaganda". What you are missing is the analysis of why it is propaganda, with evidence.


Where is the evidence for your own views?
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:03 PM   #320
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All you have done this thread is tell people why their sources cannot be relied upon. Anyone moron can say "propaganda". What you are missing is the analysis of why it is propaganda, with evidence.


Where is the evidence for your own views?
I just finished tearing the content of your more focused assertion (post 298) and of the video in BigRedChief's post (post 301) apart with evidence (and actual logic).
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:13 PM   #321
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I just finished tearing the content of your more focused assertion (post 298) and of the video in BigRedChief's post (post 301) apart with evidence (and actual logic).
Only in your own mind self diluted mind. It has nothing to do with partisanship. They spoke the words. It's on videotape for everyone to see. It's their own words. You have not proved that the tape was doctored or false in any way. There is no debate. Your favorite politician lied or at minimum mislead us into war.
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Only in your own mind. It has nothing to do with partisanship. They spoke the words. It's on videotape for everyone to see. It's their own words. There is no debate. Your favorite politician lied or at minimum lied us into war.
If I say "there's no indication that the Chiefs will draft Geno Smith" and then you see an out of context clip of me saying "the Chiefs will draft Geno Smith", it doesn't mean that I actually said that the Chiefs were going to draft Geno Smith.

Clinging to a lie that you know is a lie makes you a liar, BRC. Don't be a liar.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:21 PM   #323
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If I say "there's no indication that the Chiefs will draft Geno Smith" and then you see an out of context clip of me saying "the Chiefs will draft Geno Smith", it doesn't mean that I actually said that the Chiefs were going to draft Geno Smith.

Clinging to a lie that you know is a lie makes you a liar, BRC. Don't be a liar.
I have eyes to view a videotape. I can hear someone speaking words. I am not interpreting from another language. cheney said those words.

This is typical Republican deflection. He didn't lie, your the liar. Even when there is videotape for everyone to see you still cling to your own insecurities that your leaders could possibly have been wrong.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:26 PM   #324
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I have eyes to view a videotape. I can hear someone speaking words. I am not interpreting from another language. cheney said those words.

This is typical Republican deflection. He didn't lie, your the liar. Even when there is videotape for everyone to see you still cling to your own insecurities that your leaders could possibly have been wrong.
I can't tell whether you're enough of a fool to believe what you're saying here or if you're just sacrificing your integrity for the sake of partisanship. Did you read the transcript I posted?
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:59 PM   #325
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It's all BS deflection. You got the date wrong (I didn't). I provide the exact video where he says the exact thing I said he said. Still not good enough. Can't see it? It's embeded on this board. How can you not see it?
I SEE IT NOW!!!!1!
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:16 PM   #326
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I just finished tearing the content of your more focused assertion (post 298) and of the video in BigRedChief's post (post 301) apart with evidence (and actual logic).
frankie? is that you, frankie?
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:22 PM   #327
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frankie? is that you, frankie?
Unfortunately, I have to perform my messageboard magic with a sub-159 IQ.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:45 PM   #328
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yeah, frankie's iq is certainly much higher than mine but i still kinda like the lil fella...

he got me into fire jumping and now the whole crew is jumping fires all the time...
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:04 PM   #329
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yeah, frankie's iq is certainly much higher than mine but i still kinda like the lil fella...

he got me into fire jumping and now the whole crew is jumping fires all the time...
Frankie is a good guy.
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:17 AM   #330
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I just finished tearing the content of your more focused assertion (post 298) and of the video in BigRedChief's post (post 301) apart with evidence (and actual logic).
You logic was "Government keep secerts", which isn't logical at all. Anyone could say that about anything to try and end a argument. You also failed to provide any type of citation to backup your spin. Why was the information withheld from the public?

Again, do you have any actual evidence, besides "government keeps secrets" for your views? Can you prove we were not lied too?

It also isn't cherry picking when, hey guess what, they were right. Or did we find WMDs?
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