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Old 01-25-2013, 04:27 PM  
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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.”

It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:51 PM   #166
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Which part?
Pujols' contract was only part of the payroll. Cut out Beltran and Carpenter's contracts in the 2011 offseason and you are at the same base payroll. Same payroll that they absorbed this year with the Molina and Craig extensions already done.

Furthermore, it assumes that it's an impossibility that the Cardinals would have bumped up their payroll to account for the other moves.

There is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat. Either way, **** him, it's over with.
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Pujols' contract was only part of the payroll. Cut out Beltran and Carpenter's contracts in the 2011 offseason and you are at the same base payroll. Same payroll that they absorbed this year with the Molina and Craig extensions already done.

Furthermore, it assumes that it's an impossibility that the Cardinals would have bumped up their payroll to account for the other moves.

There is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat. Either way, **** him, it's over with.
I was for resigning Pujols because he was my favorite Cardinal since Gibson and didn't want to see him in another uniform. But the thought of paying Pujols $30 million a year two years from now would have killed us. The Angles with their BILLION $ TV contract won't miss it at all.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:54 AM   #168
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So Motte has elbow issues. Not surprising the way he puts the stress on the elbow. Probably start the season on the DL.

Methany pencils in Boggs as the closer. Boggs was good last year but I just don't trust the guy to be consistent. MAYBE he has matured.

I'm damn glad we have Rosenthal in case Boggs pulls an Izzy/Franklin. Now, that guy I trust but he is more valuable as a starter in the long term.
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STL Today's 2013 Cardinals Season Preview

Links and text from Derrick Gold

Here is a one-stop list of all of the stories, complete with links:

GREAT EXPECTATIONS, the lead preview
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... 2d57a.html

ADAM WAINWRIGHT, talks elbow health, one-team pitchers and BBQ
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... 021d2.html

BERNIE MIKLASZ, Cards thinking "now and later"
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ ... 09bb8.html

MIDDLE MASH, Rick Hummel's look at the middle of the order
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... 45abd.html

MATHENY 2.0, What manager expects in his sophomore season
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ ... dd0ce.html

HUMMEL'S POSITION by POSITION BREAKDOWN
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... 8b910.html

THE MUSIAL MODEL, how the Cards have adopted a person-development system within their player-development system
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... 3e08d.html

JOE STRAUSS, NL Central is a two-team race
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ ... 4e493.html

RAISING OSCAR, the program in place to develop Taveras
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... a424d.html

FAB FIVE, five other prospects who could impact 2013
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... c7400.html

COVER STORY, the explanation behind Chris Lee's dynamic cover photo
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/colu ... b726c.html

That ought to fill a few days of reading. That's the hope. The preview section, with Lee's suitable-for-hanging-up cover, is available at newsstands now in the St. Louis area. Hope you enjoy.

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Free agent right-hander Kyle Lohse is signing with the Milwaukee Brewers, according to multiple reports Monday.

Lohse, 34, was 16-3 with a 2.86 ERA and 1.09 WHIP in 33 starts last year for the St. Louis Cardinals.

He had a difficult time finding a team because of the league's new draft pick compensation system. The Brewers have to forfeit the 17th overall pick in the June draft to get Lohse.
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Free agent right-hander Kyle Lohse is signing with the Milwaukee Brewers, according to multiple reports Monday.

Lohse, 34, was 16-3 with a 2.86 ERA and 1.09 WHIP in 33 starts last year for the St. Louis Cardinals.

He had a difficult time finding a team because of the league's new draft pick compensation system. The Brewers have to forfeit the 17th overall pick in the June draft to get Lohse.
Explain this BRC: Brewers forfeit #17 pick, but Cards are reportedly awarded #19. Does that sound right?
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Free agent right-hander Kyle Lohse is signing with the Milwaukee Brewers, according to multiple reports Monday.

Lohse, 34, was 16-3 with a 2.86 ERA and 1.09 WHIP in 33 starts last year for the St. Louis Cardinals.

He had a difficult time finding a team because of the league's new draft pick compensation system. The Brewers have to forfeit the 17th overall pick in the June draft to get Lohse.
Can't quite believe the Brewers are willing to do that. Maybe Lohse is taking much less money than he was asking for earlier in the year.

I was thinking that he might be sitting until June, when the MLB draft happens and he no longer costs a pick to sign.
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Explain this BRC: Brewers forfeit #17 pick, but Cards are reportedly awarded #19. Does that sound right?
The comp pick will be the 28th pick in the draft. Our pick is now the 20th pick in the draft. Same slot last yesr that we took wacha as comp for pujols.
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Can't quite believe the Brewers are willing to do that. Maybe Lohse is taking much less money than he was asking for earlier in the year.

I was thinking that he might be sitting until June, when the MLB draft happens and he no longer costs a pick to sign.
Evidently about 3/$33.

It's a good thing for the near term for the Brewers, without question.

Long-term, it's a win for the Cards.
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Evidently about 3/$33.

It's a good thing for the near term for the Brewers, without question.

Long-term, it's a win for the Cards.
Eh, if I were a Brewers fan, I'd be pissed.

Lohse was strong in St. Louis after drinking the Dave Duncan koolaid, but how many of those guys have succeeded after leaving St. Louis?

It's a lot of money (though 1/2 of what he was looking for) and a valuable draft chip for a guy who is (relatively) old, has a bad injury history, doesn't strike out hitters, and has been awful outside the Cardinals in his career.
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Evidently about 3/$33.

It's a good thing for the near term for the Brewers, without question.

Long-term, it's a win for the Cards.
That decision and contract have DM written all over them. Shocked we weren't the dumbasses bending over on this one.

Terrible deal for the Brewers. Far too much compensation for a pitcher who cannot get the swing and miss.
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