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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.”

It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:53 PM   #181
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Eh, if I were a Brewers fan, I'd be pissed.

Lohse was strong in St. Louis after drinking the Dave Duncan koolaid, but how many of those guys have succeeded after leaving St. Louis?

It's a lot of money (though 1/2 of what he was looking for) and a valuable draft chip for a guy who is (relatively) old, has a bad injury history, doesn't strike out hitters, and has been awful outside the Cardinals in his career.
What pitcher has been better when they left the Cardinals? I can't even remember anyone.

The only ones I remember are the ones who fall off a cliff when they leave the Cardinals.
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Me, too. Glad I protected him in my keeper league now.
We told ya to keep him.

He's got a helluva an upside. I wouldn't be surprised to see him be the 2013 Lynn and win 16 games.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:56 PM   #183
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What pitcher has been better when they left the Cardinals? I can't even remember anyone.

The only ones I remember are the ones who fall off a cliff when they leave the Cardinals.
Dan Haren... Steve Carlton... Honestly that's about it.
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What pitcher has been better when they left the Cardinals? I can't even remember anyone.

The only ones I remember are the ones who fall off a cliff when they leave the Cardinals.
That's what I'm saying. I'm sure Lohse will fail just as badly as Joel Pineiro, Jeff Weaver, et. al.

Only problem is he got more money than any of them AND cost a draft pick. If I'm a Brew-crew fan, I'm incensed.
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Jeff Fassero, Chris Perez, Chris Narveson...yeah, not many.
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We told ya to keep him.

He's got a helluva an upside. I wouldn't be surprised to see him be the 2013 Lynn and win 16 games.
BTW, posted the team he's part of in the fantasy forum. I think I'm going to cruise to the league title.

24 starters (15 hitters, 9 pitchers) + 10 bench players. 12 teams. I have:

Mike Trout
Matt Kemp
Robinson Cano
Bryce Harper
Allen Craig
Troy Tulowitzki
Ian Kinsler
Chris Sale
Matt Moore
Jordan Zimmermann

among others (Shelby, of course).
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Dan Haren... Steve Carlton... Honestly that's about it.
Carlton was a different era. He had the nerve to ask for a $5K raise after winning 20 games. Gussie said get rid of him.

Haren and Perez were trades. BAD trades but still trades. We didn't let them walk. We thought we were getting a fair deal for them.
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The Cardinals provide me with an interesting perspective: how a competent sports franchise operates.

What makes it funnier: ChiefsCountry compared Alex Smith to Kyle Lohse.
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Thank you, Doug Melvin.

The Cardinals provide me with an interesting perspective: how a competent sports franchise operates.

What makes it funnier: ChiefsCountry compared Alex Smith to Kyle Lohse.
Hamas we get to enjoy at least one well run team and you bring the incompetence of our other team into here? If we suck this year, I'm blaming you.
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Jerry Reuss, Mike Torrez, Mike Cuellar, Jim Bibby. Used to be a lot more common when Busch was a tightwad.
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Oscar Taveras 4 for 5 yesterday, looks like he makes the club at least until Beltran's toe is healed.
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Oscar Taveras 4 for 5 yesterday, looks like he makes the club at least until Beltran's toe is healed.
That would start his clock early. I wouldn't be surprised to see him come up in the summer instead.
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If Beltran's toe isn't ready, you start Adams at 1b and Craig in RF and give Taveras every day ABs in the minors. Or you put Descalso in RF.

There's just no reason to rush the kid to the majors yet.
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There's just no reason to rush the kid to the majors yet.
Craig is too slow to be an outfielder after his leg break. If he's the best player available, the only reason not to put him out there is financial.
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Craig is too slow to be an outfielder after his leg break. If he's the best player available, the only reason not to put him out there is financial.
Maturity.

There have been no concerns about his ability, but there have been some rumblings about him being a little too 'showy'. Now the confidence is a good thing, but for a franchise that just got done watching their last premium prospect flame out because of a crap wortk ethic and entitlement issues, they would be wise to make very sure that they aren't going to have a similar problem with young Oscar.

And yeah, financial does matter.

Moreover, I'm not wholly convinced that Tavares is the best hitter available. Folks - Matt Adams can hit. Look at his minor league track record. There's a very convincing argument to be made that he's a better major league hitting prospect than Oscar Tavares is right now.

Craig's broken leg hasn't greatly impacted his speed and he was never a burner to begin with. He'll be fine in RF and in the interim, it could help us establish a legitimate trade market for Adams; hopefully enough to fill the gaping hole we have at SS.
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