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View Poll Results: Grade the following hypotheticals.
OLB Bjoern Werner starts to fall, Chiefs package both 2nds to move up to 16 and grab him. (don't select this option) 7 16.67%
A 2 4.76%
B 5 11.90%
C 11 26.19%
D 6 14.29%
F 12 28.57%
S Kenny Vaccaro starts to fall, Chiefs package 2a and 3a to move up and get him at 18. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 1 2.38%
B 6 14.29%
C 8 19.05%
D 4 9.52%
F 10 23.81%
WR Keenan Allen starts to fall, Chiefs package 2b and 3a to get him at 21. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 2 4.76%
B 9 21.43%
C 4 9.52%
D 6 14.29%
F 9 21.43%
TE Tyler Eifert starts falling, Chiefs package a 2b and 3a to get him at 21. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 2 4.76%
B 10 23.81%
C 5 11.90%
D 5 11.90%
F 9 21.43%
WR Cordarrelle Patterson starts falling, Chiefs package a 2b and 4th to move up and get him at 25. (don't select this option) 7 16.67%
A 9 21.43%
B 9 21.43%
C 4 9.52%
D 3 7.14%
F 8 19.05%
OLB Damontre Moore starts falling, Chiefs package a 2b and 4th to get him at 25. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 3 7.14%
B 8 19.05%
C 7 16.67%
D 7 16.67%
F 7 16.67%
DE Margus Hunt starts falling, Chiefs package 2b and a 4th to get him at 28. (don't select this option) 5 11.90%
A 3 7.14%
B 5 11.90%
C 6 14.29%
D 6 14.29%
F 10 23.81%
WR Justin Hunter starts falling. Chiefs package 2a and a 4th to get him at 30. (don't select this option) 7 16.67%
A 3 7.14%
B 7 16.67%
C 3 7.14%
D 7 16.67%
F 11 26.19%
DaneMcCloud loves little children in uncomfortable, inappropriate ways. 17 40.48%
Seriously, **** Dane. 13 30.95%
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:25 AM  
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Let's say the Chiefs land 2 2nds. How would you grade these moves back into the 1st?

Chiefs trade away Branden Albert for a 2nd rounder, which gives them a pick in the middle of the 2nd.

Chiefs trade down from 1.1 to 1.4 with the Eagles, giving them a 2nd rounder atop the round.

That gives the Chiefs:

1st rounder (1.4)
2a
2b
3a
3b (compensatory -- untradeable)
4
5
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6b
7

So let's say an attractive player starts falling in the first, and the Chiefs package some of these picks to make a move. How would you grade it, based on the player?

Poll to come. It will take a few minutes.

Edit: I forgot to mention the Chiefs went with Joeckel or Fisher with the 1st pick.

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Old 04-02-2013, 10:31 AM   #31
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Really?

Should we have more threads where CP members are calling each other out? More threads about the Cardinals?

Any thread that is a good topic regarding the Chiefs on a Chiefs board sounds good to me. Call me crazy.

Back to the topic...

I know given his size and Dex he's not necessarily a need for us but if we trade back into the first to get WRs (some others on this list), I'd rather it just be Tavon Austin. I don't care that he's short. He's a special talent.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:48 AM   #32
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Hmm I'll chime in finally on this whole debate


I don't know which Alex smith will be showing up to KC from SF


I do know he will have a gigantic chip on his shoulder!

Reminds me a lot of Gannon with us. Not an elite qb does what he needed to do wins games replaced by the elite qb (lol no) Grbac. Goes to raiders with a supposed genious with qbs. Over achieves or was it there all along leads that team to conference championship and eventually super bowl game.

How do we know which Alex smith is coming here shouldn't we at least give him a chance before we pass judgement? For that matter how do we know chase can't be elite maybe he hasn't gotten an opportunity yet.? Payton and Reid are friends maybe Payton said pick up chase he's ready for an opportunity he won't ever get that here with breese.

We just don't know guys now should we still draft a qb I say yes sorry stanzi unless u blew the chiefs away at your interview or evaluation you unfortunately are expendable.

Who is that qb I'm not sure I'm currious bout Tyler Wilson would have been a top first round pick last year. Maybe with some work he can be that eventual franchise qb who knows. I also like the kid from duke late. he will go late cause he went to duke but a lot of similarities to Peyton manning there.

Or Reid and Dorsey could be playing possum all along and draft geno. I don't think this will happen but these guys did draft successors when they still had starting caliber qbs on the roster.

Who knows guys we need to patient before we pass judgement patience is a virtue.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:02 AM   #33
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:04 AM   #34
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:07 AM   #35
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:13 AM   #36
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I define a franchise QB as someone who is going to be THE keystone to your franchise's success for the foreseeable future... A guy that's capable of putting the team on his back and willing his way to victories.

That's not Alex Smith. He's a "franchise QB" in the sense that he's mediocre but good enough for your team to remain "respectable" at 8-8 but you have yet to hit on a Colin Kaepernick.
It's probably not Geno Smith, either, honestly.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:14 AM   #37
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It's probably not Geno Smith, either, honestly.
Maybe, maybe not.

That's not the point.

Playing it safe, like the Chiefs have, gets you 19 years of playoff win free football.
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:04 PM   #38
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Maybe, maybe not.
Ah, so a franchise QB only needs potential in order to quality to be a franchise QB in your eyes.

This is what I'm having trouble figuring out.

You go from "he needs to be the franchise's guy" to "he needs to be the franchise's guy for the foreseeable future and also will his team to victories" to "he needs to be the franchise's guy for the foreseeable future and also have the potential will his team to victories."

We could go on and on here, but you're carving a description of franchise QBs so thin in order to somehow discern one Smith from the other, you're starting to pretzel.
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:15 PM   #39
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There's no other way to interpret it.

Franchise QB for S? F.
Franchise QB for WR? F.
Franchise QB for OLB? F.
Franchise QB for DE? F.
Franchise QB for TE? F.

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translation: There is nothing that can happen except Geno that will stop the bitching.
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:56 PM   #40
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Ah, so a franchise QB only needs potential in order to quality to be a franchise QB in your eyes.

This is what I'm having trouble figuring out.

You go from "he needs to be the franchise's guy" to "he needs to be the franchise's guy for the foreseeable future and also will his team to victories" to "he needs to be the franchise's guy for the foreseeable future and also have the potential will his team to victories."

We could go on and on here, but you're carving a description of franchise QBs so thin in order to somehow discern one Smith from the other, you're starting to pretzel.
You are thinking way too much about this.

We KNOW Alex Smith is NOT what everyone on the ****ing planet would consider a "franchise QB."

We do NOT know that about Geno Smith. He is an unknown. If he flops then move on and look for the next possible franchise QB. Don't ****ing trade for a known POS.

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Old 04-02-2013, 01:14 PM   #41
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Not trying to be smart here because I'm just curious. Honest question. How long you going to be bitter over this?

I was mad too at first so don't take this as me celebrating the move. Certainly that wasn't the case. But I've gotten over it by now. What else can I do? Don't feel like quitting on the team.

Two years ago I think we'd all say Joe Flacco was around the 12th or so best QB in the league. Some might say lower. Look at him now. That's clearly not the case. What's the point? The point is that QBs roles and positions are constantly in flux and being evaluated. The top 5 QBs in the game today won't be the same list 3 years from now.

I'm not predicting Alex Smith will ever be in that league. But certainly he's middle of the pack. 15th or so. mediocre. Agreed. Lets see if he progresses from his last two years or if he slides.

While I want the Chiefs to win a SB, right now I just want to see if they can get in the playoffs and win a game first. I don't have much if any memories of the Chiefs the last time that happened.
Okay. So if Alex Smith unprecedentedly becomes this awesome franchise QB and the Chiefs win a Super Bowl, all the "I don't care, it's not my money, Clark's is the only opinion that matters, just sick back and enjoy the ride" people will I'm sure expect nothing less than the Nuremberg Trials for those who were adamant about drafting a QB this year.

That's not fair or admirable behavior either, but it's going to ****ing happen if that hypothetical scenario comes true.

That's how this forum works. Get used to it.
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translation: There is nothing that can happen except Geno that will stop the bitching.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:25 PM   #43
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translation: There is nothing that can happen except Geno that will stop the bitching.
The bitching will stop no matter what happens with the Chiefs #1 pick.

There are 3 scenarios:

1) They draft Geno.
2) They draft someone else like Joekel.
3) They trade down and pick up someone like Fisher.

If scenario 1 happens the bitching will stop because I'll feel like this franchise actually cares about winning a SB by ATTEMPTING to fill the QB position with legitimate potential.

If scenario's 2 and 3 happen I'll be less inclined to give a **** about what happens with the Chiefs and be more invested in baseball.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:28 PM   #44
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1.1 to 1.4 only nets you 2.4?

And you end up losing Albert, no QBotF, and a replacement for Albert that won't upgrade the position after getting your first #1 pick in the draft.

Hmmmmmm.... F
I have to agree w/ Direckshun, at this point, we will only move down if we are willing to recoup the 2nd, and likely no more. Maybe...maybe we can get a mid round next year too. Market just sucks this year.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:30 PM   #45
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If scenario's 2 and 3 happen I'll be less inclined to give a **** about what happens with the Chiefs and be more invested in baseball.
You might as well get that process started now then.
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