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Old 04-04-2013, 06:26 AM  
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WSJ: Trading for a Quarterback Doesn't Really Help



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Trading for a Quarterback Doesn't Really Help

Trading for quarterbacks has been quite popular this off-season, but are NFL teams being wise to do so? Recent history suggests otherwise.

This week's trades of Carson Palmer to the Arizona Cardinals and of Matt Flynn (pictured, far right) to the Oakland Raiders brought the total of projected starters acquired via trade to three this off-season, along with Kansas City's Alex Smith.

Notable quarterbacks such as John Elway and Brett Favre were traded by the teams that drafted them, before they had their greatest successes. But if Palmer, Flynn and Smith succeed in their first seasons with their new teams, it would buck a pretty clear trend in recent NFL history.

Since 1994, there have been 25 trades involving quarterbacks who started at least eight games for their new team the following season. Only two led their new teams to the postseason in the first year—Brad Johnson (1999 Redskins) and Steve McNair (2006 Ravens).

Some quarterbacks were successful, but struggled in their first season in a new city. Matt Hasselbeck went on to win five postseason games with the Seattle Seahawks and lead the team to Super Bowl XL. Trent Green had some success following a trade to the Kansas City Chiefs, and Matt Schaub and Jay Cutler remain upper-echelon quarterbacks with the Houston Texans and Chicago Bears, respectively, but have only three combined playoff victories with their new teams.

The failures of traded quarterbacks have far outweighed the successes, especially with over-the-hill QBs such as Brett Favre, who struggled down the stretch in his one season with the New York Jets, and Donovan McNabb, who struggled in his only season with the Washington Redskins, and later with the Minnesota Vikings. Both Palmer and Flynn were last traded within the past two seasons—and in both cases, the teams that traded for them gave up more than they got, while not achieving the results they were expecting.

—Eric Edholm
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:33 AM   #16
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WSJ: Trading for a Quarterback Doesn't Really Help

Chiefs fans of the last 30 years: Duh
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:40 AM   #17
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How many of those 48 QBs drafted in the 1st round started at least 8 games for their teams during their rookie season?
Most of them.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:48 AM   #18
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So basically it boils down to the fact that real life is not like Madden?

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Old 04-04-2013, 08:49 AM   #19
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:54 AM   #20
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lets revolutionize the game and play without a QB
after four plus seasons of no QB, I'm a firm believer you are an idiot
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:31 AM   #21
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Since 1994, there have been 25 trades involving quarterbacks who started at least eight games for their new team the following season. Only two led their new teams to the postseason in the first year—Brad Johnson (1999 Redskins) and Steve McNair (2006 Ravens).


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Old 04-04-2013, 09:36 AM   #22
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This is great info and all but the deals been done for a while now so what's the point?
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:05 AM   #23
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Since 1994, there have been 25 trades involving quarterbacks who started at least eight games for their new team the following season. Only two led their new teams to the postseason in the first year—Brad Johnson (1999 Redskins) and Steve McNair (2006 Ravens).


Go Chiefs.
I have not claimed this trade will result in a championship, but instead I believe the Chiefs have been so far removed from pro football reality, this move at least pulls them back into orbit.

I was listening to local radio this morning. They were discussing the Royals and Parkins said the team needs to "put the ball in play" offensively -- to "play small ball" and "get something going".

Imo, that is very much the problem with both franchises in KC.

Billy Martin's Yanks were classic small ballers that got it going, then got the big guns cleaning it up (Reggie J). Same with the Reds. Same with the Curt Flood Cards...

In football, Montana and his WR's would chew you up underneath with quick outs & slants. Eventually, they got your defense so crossed up, they hit some big ones and you were toast.

I don't understand why these franchises don't know how to win, but to me the lacking value in starting small is at the center of it.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:06 AM   #24
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So is better trade for a Guard? How about a LB deal? Or CB? (how many Super Bowls have Denver won since they traded for Champ anyway?)
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:08 AM   #25
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But guys, Eli Manning was traded
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:11 AM   #26
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also, imo wins this season depend more on the core players of this chiefs team. DJ, Hali, Flowers, Berry, Bowe, Jamaal -- these players need to bring a lunch to work.

Montana didn't get it done here.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:15 AM   #27
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also, imo wins this season depend more on the core players of this chiefs team. DJ, Hali, Flowers, Berry, Bowe, Jamaal -- these players need to bring a lunch to work.
Yeah because those guys all sucked last year.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:17 AM   #28
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when it comes to QBs, be it draft or FA, the Chiefs have proven over and over and over, to be completely retarded in their evaluation.

The days of tossing in a scrub QB/game manager and thinking you have any chance at the Super Bowl are gone. A team is just spinning its wheels otherwise.

Defense doesn't win championships; offense does.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:18 AM   #29
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Teams win Super Bowls. Not QBs..
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:21 AM   #30
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