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Old 04-03-2013, 08:04 PM  
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Old 04-04-2013, 02:34 PM   #31
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Although I cannot stand the liberal bullshit being pushed on this country lets get real.
The soda ban is looking like it will not standup
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Old 04-04-2013, 03:55 PM   #32
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Funny indeed.

Can people smoke? Yes.
Can people drink large sodas? Yes.
Can people own guns? Yes.
Can people choose incandescent bulbs? Yes.
Can people use coal? Yes.
Can people honor God? Yes.
Can people have abortions? Yes, even though cons want to take that right away.
Not all these are cut-and-dry. Personal freedoms are only enforceable to the extent that they don't infringe on mine. You can't just blast music at full volume at 3am. You can't just open a strip club in an up-and-coming neighborhood if it has a dramatically negative effect on property value in that neighborhood.

If you want to smoke, fine. But you're driving up my health care costs, so you should pay a penalty for that (they do, in the form of a cigarette tax and higher health care premiums). If you want to drink large soda? Fine. But don't play the bullshit "I can do whatever I want to my body card." Your bad health decisions are driving up my health care premium and you should pay accordingly.

As for incandescent light bulbs, there are times when a visible hand has to nudge the market in a certain direction. The idea that we should settle for a solution because the market says so, when the market can be nudged to a visibly better alternative, is baloney. Disgusting food today is dirt cheap because they are in such high supply, so no food manufacturer is incentivized to offer reasonably healthy food at a reasonable price -- that pricing would shift if you can start to alter the supply/demand. Similarly, without some dramatic market shift, the only way manufacturers would move to incandescent light bulbs or lamps/fixtures using those things is if the market showed there was significant demand for it.

In both of these cases, this is why I lie in the middle. Government shouldn't go overboard, but they can certainly play their hand in nudging things in the right direction. I don't agree with banning soda, but would absolutely be open to some kind of tax to "punish" behaviors that drive up health care cost for others. I don't agree with forcing an incandescent light standard, but I would have been open to nudging in the direction to artificially create incentives to manufacture a new product and start creating demand that shifts the market.
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:02 PM   #33
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:09 PM   #34
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I thought this thread was about frogs
Well it can be. Man I love me some frog hunting at night. Food of the Gods them there frogs are.

I use a flat bottom boat, spot light & a 22. Ya I know using a 22 is against the rules.
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:33 PM   #35
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As disingenuous as the specific arguments are here, I find the core argument to be solid. Consider only the first panel, and the last two - that's pretty much spot on; the term 'choice' has largely been successfully appropriated by the pro-abortion lobby to mean abortion, which isn't right. To be fair, the other side isn't completely honest with the word 'life', either; the two sides are actually 'pro-abortion' and 'anti-abortion', but logic often gives way to marketability.

And in what world is hippie Linus the conservative, and capitalistic Lucy the liberal?
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:54 PM   #36
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Not all these are cut-and-dry. Personal freedoms are only enforceable to the extent that they don't infringe on mine. You can't just blast music at full volume at 3am. You can't just open a strip club in an up-and-coming neighborhood if it has a dramatically negative effect on property value in that neighborhood.

If you want to smoke, fine. But you're driving up my health care costs, so you should pay a penalty for that (they do, in the form of a cigarette tax and higher health care premiums). If you want to drink large soda? Fine. But don't play the bullshit "I can do whatever I want to my body card." Your bad health decisions are driving up my health care premium and you should pay accordingly.

As for incandescent light bulbs, there are times when a visible hand has to nudge the market in a certain direction. The idea that we should settle for a solution because the market says so, when the market can be nudged to a visibly better alternative, is baloney. Disgusting food today is dirt cheap because they are in such high supply, so no food manufacturer is incentivized to offer reasonably healthy food at a reasonable price -- that pricing would shift if you can start to alter the supply/demand. Similarly, without some dramatic market shift, the only way manufacturers would move to incandescent light bulbs or lamps/fixtures using those things is if the market showed there was significant demand for it.

In both of these cases, this is why I lie in the middle. Government shouldn't go overboard, but they can certainly play their hand in nudging things in the right direction. I don't agree with banning soda, but would absolutely be open to some kind of tax to "punish" behaviors that drive up health care cost for others. I don't agree with forcing an incandescent light standard, but I would have been open to nudging in the direction to artificially create incentives to manufacture a new product and start creating demand that shifts the market.
I agree they're not cut-and-dry. I was just trying to post as naive a stance as the OP/comic.
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:58 PM   #37
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I agree they're not cut-and-dry. I was just trying to post as naive a stance as the OP/comic.
Sorry for the confusion, only responded to your post because you had a quick recap of the comic, not because I was reacting to your post.
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:00 PM   #38
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I see. Certain states and municipalities have sought to put restrictions on many of the above activities. For instance, gun purchases, where you can smoke, and the purchase of large sodas.
Therefore, as long as abortion is legal, you don't think states or municipalities placing restrictions on abortion availability is a problem.
After all, abortions would still be legal, so placing restrictions isn't infringing.
yes, I'm fine with that. Why do you ask?
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:13 PM   #39
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:44 PM   #40
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For those arguing that you can still do all of these things in the comic, it sure isn't for a lack of trying on the part of the progressives.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:14 PM   #41
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For those arguing that you can still do all of these things in the comic, it sure isn't for a lack of trying on the part of the progressives.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:20 AM   #42
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I consider the mercury bulb thing to be on par with hazardous cleaning chemicals. Don't be a retard when handling them.

Or buy incandescent bulbs...whichever.
I don't think you understand. The incandescents are in progress on being banned. So there will be no choice here.
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Progs as in frogs, fog, cogs, dogs and hogs.
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I agree they're not cut-and-dry. I was just trying to post as naive a stance as the OP/comic.
Silly, humor does that.
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