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Old 04-04-2013, 06:26 AM  
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WSJ: Trading for a Quarterback Doesn't Really Help



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Trading for a Quarterback Doesn't Really Help

Trading for quarterbacks has been quite popular this off-season, but are NFL teams being wise to do so? Recent history suggests otherwise.

This week's trades of Carson Palmer to the Arizona Cardinals and of Matt Flynn (pictured, far right) to the Oakland Raiders brought the total of projected starters acquired via trade to three this off-season, along with Kansas City's Alex Smith.

Notable quarterbacks such as John Elway and Brett Favre were traded by the teams that drafted them, before they had their greatest successes. But if Palmer, Flynn and Smith succeed in their first seasons with their new teams, it would buck a pretty clear trend in recent NFL history.

Since 1994, there have been 25 trades involving quarterbacks who started at least eight games for their new team the following season. Only two led their new teams to the postseason in the first year—Brad Johnson (1999 Redskins) and Steve McNair (2006 Ravens).

Some quarterbacks were successful, but struggled in their first season in a new city. Matt Hasselbeck went on to win five postseason games with the Seattle Seahawks and lead the team to Super Bowl XL. Trent Green had some success following a trade to the Kansas City Chiefs, and Matt Schaub and Jay Cutler remain upper-echelon quarterbacks with the Houston Texans and Chicago Bears, respectively, but have only three combined playoff victories with their new teams.

The failures of traded quarterbacks have far outweighed the successes, especially with over-the-hill QBs such as Brett Favre, who struggled down the stretch in his one season with the New York Jets, and Donovan McNabb, who struggled in his only season with the Washington Redskins, and later with the Minnesota Vikings. Both Palmer and Flynn were last traded within the past two seasons—and in both cases, the teams that traded for them gave up more than they got, while not achieving the results they were expecting.

—Eric Edholm
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:53 AM   #61
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Logic Fail by the article.

If trading for a qb has more failures than successes then teams shouldn't trade for QBs.

Let's follow the logic to drafting.

If drafting for a qb has more failures than successes then teams shouldn't draft QBs.

Yeah...that works.


By the way, Brett Farve wasn't drafted by Green Bay...and Steve Young was with the Bucs before the 9ers. You don't do these things because they always work...you do it because there's a chance.
Did Brett Favre play 7-8 seasons with the Falcons before being traded? No.

How about Steve Young with the Bucs? Oh....he didn't?
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:56 AM   #62
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Did Brett Favre play 7-8 seasons with the Falcons before being traded? No.

How about Steve Young with the Bucs? Oh....he didn't?
I don't believe that was the criteria.

The one huge difference here is the ability of a HC/GM to EVALUATE TALENT.

The guy that traded for Young also drafted well.

The guy that traded for Favre also drafted well.

IT ALL FALLS ON THE ABILITY OF THE FRANCHISE TO EVALUATE TALNET...
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:13 PM   #63
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I don't believe that was the criteria.

The one huge difference here is the ability of a HC/GM to EVALUATE TALENT.

The guy that traded for Young also drafted well.

The guy that traded for Favre also drafted well.

IT ALL FALLS ON THE ABILITY OF THE FRANCHISE TO EVALUATE TALNET...
Nhu-u you have to take a shot and play the odds so you can at least say you tried!
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:14 PM   #64
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Nhu-u you have to take a shot and play the odds so you can at least say you tried!
I'm guilty of that...fair 'nuff...
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:17 PM   #65
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I'm guilty of that...fair 'nuff...
I eally didn't mean you. I thought the bolded part of waht you posted was dead on. It's all about getting the evaluations right and getting those players or player/QB in this case.
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I'm sick of peole posting the logic for us to draft a QB. It's beyond redundant and besides that posting about here is like singing to the choir.
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:28 PM   #67
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I'm sick of peole posting the logic for us to draft a QB. It's beyond redundant and besides that posting about here is like singing to the choir.
We do it because guys like Black Bob happen.

And this guy:

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Logic Fail by the article.

If trading for a qb has more failures than successes then teams shouldn't trade for QBs.

Let's follow the logic to drafting.

If drafting for a qb has more failures than successes then teams shouldn't draft QBs.

Yeah...that works.


By the way, Brett Farve wasn't drafted by Green Bay...and Steve Young was with the Bucs before the 9ers. You don't do these things because they always work...you do it because there's a chance.
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:44 PM   #68
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Originally Posted by Jakemall View Post
Logic Fail by the article.

If trading for a qb has more failures than successes then teams shouldn't trade for QBs.

Let's follow the logic to drafting.

If drafting for a qb has more failures than successes then teams shouldn't draft QBs.

Yeah...that works.


By the way, Brett Farve wasn't drafted by Green Bay...and Steve Young was with the Bucs before the 9ers. You don't do these things because they always work...you do it because there's a chance.
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Old 04-05-2013, 01:06 PM   #69
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Wasn't traded. Therefore isn't a part of this discussion.
FYI - Rich Gannon was brought up. Therefore it became part of the discussion. Capisce?
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Old 04-05-2013, 02:25 PM   #70
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I just hope this regime is quick to cut ties when this turd proves his stink. Outside of that what's done is done. Well that and draft one one later this month.
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