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Old 04-10-2013, 01:53 PM  
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Senator Toomey Betrays Gun Owners

Gun Owners of America

See a Shrink, Lose your Guns. The anti-gun “ranters” have spent the last week telling us that Republican Senators can’t filibuster Harry Reid’s gun control bill; that they can’t cut off debate to a bill they haven’t seen yet. “Let the bill come up,” they say. “We need to see the bill” before Senators can vote against cloture to proceed to it.

Well, we’ve seen the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out, and it’s worse than the Feinstein gun ban, which will reportedly be tied to it and offered simultaneously in a Senate procedure known as an “amendment tree.”

Toomey and Manchin will claim that their bill only covers “gun show sales” and Internet sales. But if you’ve ever talked about your gun and /or let it be known you’d like to sell or buy a gun on the Internet, this language covers you. If you advertise your gun in the church bulletin and the bulletin is put on the Internet, you’re covered.

The only exemption is for sales that are sold exclusively by word of mouth. The increased number of background checks would likely exacerbate the system breakdowns (inherent to NICS) which have shut down gun shows over and over again. It would mean that Americans who were illegally denied firearms because their names were similar to other people’s would effectively be barred from owning a gun. (We would never tolerate such delays for voting rights or other freedoms that we are guaranteed.)

And for those Republicans who think they’re going to be able to offer their useless amendments, guess what? Reid is reportedly going to use a procedure to block out all amendments (called an “amendment tree”). And there are plenty of Senators standing in line to make sure that the Senate doesn’t give “unanimous consent” to let those Republicans offer their amendments.

So if you live in a rural area, you’re effectively barred from selling or buying a gun – or it at least becomes very, very difficult.

Incidentally, the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer “national registry” language is full of holes. There will be a national gun registry as a result of this sell-out.

But that’s not the worst part. Under an amendment in the bill to HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act), you could have your guns taken away because your private shrink thinks you’re “dangerous” and could send your name directly to the FBI Instant Check system.

Did you think it was terrible that 150,000 military veterans had been added into the NICS system because they’d seen a VA shrink about their PTSD? Well guess what? Now it’s going to happen to the rest of the population … by the millions!

And the next step, of course, will be to begin to sue psychiatrists that don’t send every single patient’s name to the Instant Check system, and to make sure that their lives are ruined if they don’t send a patient to NICS and anything goes wrong.

The bottom line: “See a shrink; lose your guns.”

All of this will reportedly be on an amendment tree with the Feinstein gun ban and magazine bans.

Repeal of gun owner protections. In addition, Toomey no doubt unintentionally agreed to repeal one of the most important protections for gun owners that was included in the 1986 McClure-Volkmer Act – the provision that would allow you to take an unloaded, locked-up gun through states like New York without being stopped. Under a new subsection (c), the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer bill would require you to “demonstrate” to the satisfaction of New York police where you were coming from and where you are going to. And, if you don’t do that to their satisfaction, they can arrest you.

Please keep in mind, nothing in this bill would have stopped Newtown dirtbag from killing his mother and taking the firearms that she owned and perpetrating the horrible crimes that he committed.

Nothing is this bill would actually make children safer at schools. There is nothing that will actually keep bad guys from stealing or illegally acquiring guns, but there’s plenty that will threaten our gun rights!

ACTION: Contact your two senators immediately. Tell them the “see a shrink; lose your guns” sellout is even worse than the Feinstein gun ban which will reportedly be on the same amendment tree with it. Distribute this alert far and wide.

Time is short, so if you call – at 202-224-3121 – you may click below to see the pre-written letter anduse the contents to help direct your comments.

Click here to send your Senators a prewritten email message.

http://www.capwiz.com/gunowners/issu...ertid=62580936

http://gunowners.org/a04102013.htm
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:12 PM   #2
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I hope Toomey chokes on his dinner tonight.
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:33 PM   #3
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The Virginia Tech, Tucson, & Aurora shooters were all diagnosed with serious mental illness and had never been adjudicated mentally ill, so they would never have failed a background check.

I think that it is not impossible to figure out a way that makes it harder for deranged people to do mass shootings but gives other mentally ill people a process to preserve responsible gun ownership.

Do any gun owners want to make the case for what is so good about the Virginia Tech, Tucson and Aurora shooters all following the same pattern of being seriously mentally ill, never being adjudicated mentally ill, buying their guns, clips and ammo right before the shootings, and then killing and wounding innocent people and traumatizing the famillies?
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:39 PM   #4
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So if you live in a rural area, you’re effectively barred from selling or buying a gun – or it at least becomes very, very difficult.
I haven't read up on it too much, but how is this different or more difficult than finding a nearby FFL (which are basically everywhere, even in rural places and usually people's homes or shops) and buying/selling the gun through an FFL?

The reason I ask, is I just bought a weapon...and the seller insisted on using an FFL...I looked it up and there were quite a few near me....I chose a guy who did the whole thing for $25.00, AND I got an awesome deal on the weapon....

I guess I'm missing something because it seems like it wouldnt be too difficult to find an ffl, no matter where you lived.......

What am I missing..explain this to me like I am a dumb ass
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Old 04-10-2013, 07:53 PM   #5
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Old 04-10-2013, 09:02 PM   #6
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I haven't read up on it too much, but how is this different or more difficult than finding a nearby FFL (which are basically everywhere, even in rural places and usually people's homes or shops) and buying/selling the gun through an FFL?

The reason I ask, is I just bought a weapon...and the seller insisted on using an FFL...I looked it up and there were quite a few near me....I chose a guy who did the whole thing for $25.00, AND I got an awesome deal on the weapon....

I guess I'm missing something because it seems like it wouldnt be too difficult to find an ffl, no matter where you lived.......

What am I missing..explain this to me like I am a dumb ass
Going through an FFL doesn't bother me in most cases (gun show, retail sale, or internet sale) However, what if you want to hand your favorite gun down to your son, buy your son his first hunting rifle, or if you trade out some work in exchange for a firearm?
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:52 PM   #7
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Great, now they have their foot in the door.


Just wait, they are going to try and shoehorn the assault weapons ban and whatever other garbage into this bill by amending it later.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:00 PM   #8
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Going through an FFL doesn't bother me in most cases (gun show, retail sale, or internet sale) However, what if you want to hand your favorite gun down to your son, buy your son his first hunting rifle, or if you trade out some work in exchange for a firearm?
Hmm I had understood you could give a gun to your son, and this bill involved internet/gun show......giving a gun to your son should be hassle free , i agree........but then again what if the son was like 16 and already very troubled or had been arrested etc?

I really dont know...my uncle and dad gave me my 1st rifles that I still own and shoot........

I'm ok with background checks as long as they remain private and relativly painless...i guess i'd need to know the process needed to give my son the .22 i have for him b4 i judged

the FFL was pretty damn painless tho
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