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Old 03-11-2013, 06:45 PM  
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Obama poll numbers plummeting

Nice of them to rise just as the Election was about to take place (""I'm so glad we had that storm last week,The storm brought in possibilities for good politics," Chris Matthews)



McClatchy-Marist poll shows Obama tumbling in voters’ eyes


The national survey, conducted four months after Obama was re-elected with 51 percent of the popular vote, found 45 percent of voters approving of the way he’s handling his job and 48 percent disapproving.

That was down from a 50 percent approval rating in November and December, and the lowest since November 2011. It also was the first time that more people disapproved of his work than approved since November 2011, when his rating was 43-50.

Obama’s personal popularity also has declined, with 48 percent of voters having favorable impressions of him and 48 percent having unfavorable impressions. That was down from 53-44 in December.





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Old 04-11-2013, 10:45 PM   #46
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I wish I could argue this ,but I cant
Romney wasn't the biggest problem. The problem was the Republican party that insisted on molding him into something he was not.

He lost the entire female and hispanic vote because morons in the Republican party decided to make a big issue out of birth control, "legitimate rape", and immigration, and not think it wouldn't piss off those voting groups.

In this election, he would have been absolutely dangerous if he was positioned as a moderate. But that didn't happen. And the more Republican he was forced to become, the more unpopular he became.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:52 PM   #47
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Bull. He won independents. He won the same portion of whites that Reagan did in 1980 and Bush Sr in their landslides. Amd more than W won either time. He won married women and whites 18-29.


Romney lost for one reason: the demos have drastically changed. Had nothing to do with him. If Reagan ran last Fall, he'd have possibly lost too.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:55 PM   #48
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Bull. He won independents. He won the same portion of whites that Reagan did in 1980 and Bush Sr in their landslides. Amd more than W won either time. He won married women and whites 18-29.


Romney lost for one reason: the demos have drastically changed. Had nothing to do with him. If Reagan ran last Fall, he'd have possibly lost too.
Is it that Democrats have "drastically changed", or that the Republicans have stubbornly refused to accept changes?
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:04 PM   #49
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:21 PM   #50
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Bull. He won independents. He won the same portion of whites that Reagan did in 1980 and Bush Sr in their landslides. Amd more than W won either time. He won married women and whites 18-29.


Romney lost for one reason: the demos have drastically changed. Had nothing to do with him. If Reagan ran last Fall, he'd have possibly lost too.
So you are saying Republicans are waving the white flag?
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:02 AM   #51
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Bull. He won independents. He won the same portion of whites that Reagan did in 1980 and Bush Sr in their landslides. Amd more than W won either time. He won married women and whites 18-29.


Romney lost for one reason: the demos have drastically changed. Had nothing to do with him. If Reagan ran last Fall, he'd have possibly lost too.
Romney didn't win enough conservatives. There was a part of the base that did not vote because of Romney.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:17 AM   #52
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So you are saying Republicans are waving the white flag?
I'm not sure what that means. I do know the GOP is finished because of their clumsy allowance of immigration the past 40 years. Esp the 1986 Amnesty that destroyed the Party.


The 2013 version of Amnesty will just be the kill shot.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:05 AM   #53
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I'm not sure what that means. I do know the GOP is finished because of their clumsy allowance of immigration the past 40 years. Esp the 1986 Amnesty that destroyed the Party.


The 2013 version of Amnesty will just be the kill shot.
I just mean that if the excuse for Republicans is that the demographics are changing, therefore they can't win because they don't do enough to try to win the newer demographics, they are essentially giving up. Basically, "we gave it our best shot, but we can't win these new people, so we give up." I really felt like a lot of people wanted desperately to vote against Obama.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:18 AM   #54
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I just mean that if the excuse for Republicans is that the demographics are changing, therefore they can't win because they don't do enough to try to win the newer demographics, they are essentially giving up. Basically, "we gave it our best shot, but we can't win these new people, so we give up." I really felt like a lot of people wanted desperately to vote against Obama.
Do you hang out in minority communities? They were 110% marching in unison for Obama. In some precincts there were ZERO other votes. In Philly, they counted one that had 19,000 votes for Obama and 0 for Romney. Yeah: zero.


The GOP will figure out one day that the minority community doesn't really think like they do, and is totally alien to their worldview. Some day. I'm not sure when. Maybe when they lose a precinct 21,000 to 0. Maybe 385,000 to 0. Maybe not even then.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:39 AM   #55
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Is it that Democrats have "drastically changed", or that the Republicans have stubbornly refused to accept changes?
Exactly.
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:17 AM   #56
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Do you hang out in minority communities? They were 110% marching in unison for Obama. In some precincts there were ZERO other votes. In Philly, they counted one that had 19,000 votes for Obama and 0 for Romney. Yeah: zero.


The GOP will figure out one day that the minority community doesn't really think like they do, and is totally alien to their worldview. Some day. I'm not sure when. Maybe when they lose a precinct 21,000 to 0. Maybe 385,000 to 0. Maybe not even then.
So what you are saying is yes, they are giving up because the demographics are changing and poor them just don't stand a chance. Instead of adjusting they are waiving the white flag on the increased changes in demographics. Sucks for them.

And for people not wanting to vote Obama, I was referring to everyone, not just minorities.
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:41 AM   #57
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And for people not wanting to vote Obama, I was referring to everyone, not just minorities.

Why? Minorities voted for him heavily in 2008, and every tracking poll showed they were planning to do so again in 2012. Which they did. Please tell me you weren't actually caught off guard.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:48 PM   #58
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Why? Minorities voted for him heavily in 2008, and every tracking poll showed they were planning to do so again in 2012. Which they did. Please tell me you weren't actually caught off guard.
I'm not shocked in the least. Apparently the GOP was though because they did nothing to close the gap from the previous election.

But I don't think the simple fact that they are minorities means they will vote for Obama. If GOP is going to concede minorities and just throw their hands up and say, "welp, the demographics have changed and their is nothing we can do," then there is really no point in having an election.

Obama got votes because he is a minority the first go around but I would be willing to bet that number was much less the second time. This time it seems, for minorities and whites alike, it was due to ineptness of Republicans and their candidate.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:59 PM   #59
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Romney didn't win enough conservatives. There was a part of the base that did not vote because of Romney.
Therein lies a big problem. I don't understand the mentality of people who won't vote just so they don't have to deal with the other guy. If you hate Obama, then vote for the other guy. If you chose not to vote because Romney wasn't exactly what you wanted even if that was better than Obama then you have no business complaining about really hating Obama.

In this election, we had several seats and the president's seat lost because a moderate or neoconservative was in office. Rather than mourn the gain in liberal power we celebrated.
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:40 PM   #60
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If GOP is going to concede minorities and just throw their hands up and say, "welp, the demographics have changed and their is nothing we can do," then there is really no point in having an election.
Oh, the GOP will try and get their votes going forward. But it will be as clumsy, and futile, as it has been the past 40 years as immigration numbers ramped up. You'll have them nominating Hispanics, or speaking Spanish in their TV commercials, or railing against (a dying) Fidel Castro, or talking about abortion (which Hispanics favor)....etc. They'll try and they'll fail because going after Hispanics requires them to move away from their rural base.


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This time it seems, for minorities and whites alike, it was due to ineptness of Republicans and their candidate.
On every issue, minorities favor the Democratic Party over the GOP. "Ineptness" cannot change that.
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