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Old 04-18-2013, 01:22 PM  
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/18/42...ses-cispa-2013

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he US House of Representatives has once again passed the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), which died in the Senate last year, by a margin of 288 to 127 after two days of debate.

Over several hours, House opinion on the bill boiled down to whether the redesigned CISPA successfully addressed criticism from civil libertarians, and whether the threat of cyberattacks was grave enough to justify overriding lingering concerns. Representative Candice Miller (R-MI), a CISPA supporter, painted a dire picture of North Korean hackers taking down the US power grid, and Rep. Joe Heck (R-NV) warned that "our nation is under attack."

Rep. Mike McCaul (R-TX) went so far as to urge passage with a comparison to the Boston Marathon bombings: "In the case of Boston they were real bombs, in this case they're digital bombs. And these digital bombs are on their way."
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Google, Facebook, Twitter, and other Internet companies and e-mail providers will be prohibited from making legally binding promises to protect your privacy, thanks to a vote this afternoon in the U.S. House of Representatives.

CISPA means Internet and other companies will be "completely exonerated from any risk of liability" if they open their databases with confidential customer information to the feds and even private-sector firms.

CISPA is controversial because it overrules all existing federal and state laws by saying "notwithstanding any other provision of law," including a privacy policy or terms of service agreement, companies may share certain confidential customer information "with any other entity, including the federal government." It would not, however, require them to do so.

CISPA's information sharing regime allows the transfer of vast amounts of data, including sensitive information like Internet records or the content of e-mails, to any agency in the government."
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:13 AM   #46
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Five people is a contingent. Your words are empty and lacking in support.

2012 broken down by demographics.

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/ele.../voted_12.html

2008 broken down by demos

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/ele.../voted_08.html

Obama received fewer votes from self-avowed Republicans and Conservatives than in 2008

There were 131 million total votes in 2008 and 129 in 2012.

So, if you assume that the two million who stayed at home all voted for Romney, you're still three million short of a plurality.

So, what exactly is your point, other than your complete lack of evidence and understanding of principles of addition?
You realize that John McCain was even less conservative than Mitt Romney, don't you? If they stayed home for Romney, they sure as hell didn't vote for McCain.
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Old 04-20-2013, 02:18 AM   #47
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This isn't the only bad thing done in DC while Boston was being watched and the news never mentioned any of these things.


1.) For example, did you know that late Monday, incidentally, the day of the Marathon, Obama signed into law that makes it easier for members of Congress and their staffers to engage in insider trading? There’s a reason that most politicians are rich, and it’s not generally because they’re just lucky. According to “On the Money“, The Hill’s economy and finance blog:
President Obama quietly signed legislation Monday that rolled back a provision of the STOCK Act that required high-ranking federal employees to disclose their financial information online.

The White House announced Monday that the president had signed S. 716, which repealed a requirement of the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge (STOCK) Act requiring the disclosure, which had previously been delayed several times by Congress.

That provision, added to the bipartisan bill aimed at halting insider trading by members of Congress, would have required roughly 28,000 senior government officials to post their financial information online, and had come under harsh criticism from federal government employee unions.

Both chambers of Congress quickly – and near silently – approved the repeal legislation at the end of last week by unanimous consent, just before heading home to their districts.
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Old 04-20-2013, 02:42 AM   #48
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Conservatism and Republicans are not synonymous. Perhaps you don't understand. He drew the same level of support from conservatives who voted. However, many conservatives chose to not support the least evil of two lessers.
i think most people incorrectly lump them together as well. but then i wonder, is there such thing as a conservative democrat?
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Old 04-20-2013, 02:53 AM   #49
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i think most people incorrectly lump them together as well. but then i wonder, is there such thing as a conservative democrat?
There used to be. They either joined the Republicans and the rest disappeared when the new left came into power under the Clintons.
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Old 04-20-2013, 02:58 AM   #50
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You realize that John McCain was even less conservative than Mitt Romney, don't you? If they stayed home for Romney, they sure as hell didn't vote for McCain.
John “Maverick” McCain said in a speech yesterday that he has more in common with Obama on foreign policy than he does with certain people (i.e., actual mavericks) in his own party:

“[President Obama] and I have had our differences. Many of those differences will persist. But there are times these days when I feel that I have more in common on foreign policy with President Obama than I do with some in my own party.”

The rest of the speech was the usual platitudes: “I know some Americans want to pull back from the world right now. That’s a luxury we can’t afford. We are America. We can’t retreat into splendid isolation. We can’t withdraw from the world. We can’t escape its challenges.”
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Old 04-20-2013, 09:36 AM   #51
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You realize that John McCain was even less conservative than Mitt Romney, don't you? If they stayed home for Romney, they sure as hell didn't vote for McCain.
Another in a long line of posts that conjures up fabricated bullshit instead of confronting reality.

If these people stayed at home, then why did the Republicans hold on to the House in 2012 when they got so thoroughly shellacked in 2008?
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Old 04-20-2013, 09:39 AM   #52
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i think most people incorrectly lump them together as well. but then i wonder, is there such thing as a conservative democrat?


The stupidity of this forum never ceases to amaze me. FFS, Obama is a conservative. He would be a conservative politician in every other Western Democracy in the world. He may not be conservative to you, but that doesn't mean he's not conservative.
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Old 04-20-2013, 09:41 AM   #53
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This isn't the only bad thing done in DC while Boston was being watched and the news never mentioned any of these things.


1.) For example, did you know that late Monday, incidentally, the day of the Marathon, Obama signed into law that makes it easier for members of Congress and their staffers to engage in insider trading? There’s a reason that most politicians are rich, and it’s not generally because they’re just lucky. According to “On the Money“, The Hill’s economy and finance blog:
President Obama quietly signed legislation Monday that rolled back a provision of the STOCK Act that required high-ranking federal employees to disclose their financial information online.

The White House announced Monday that the president had signed S. 716, which repealed a requirement of the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge (STOCK) Act requiring the disclosure, which had previously been delayed several times by Congress.

That provision, added to the bipartisan bill aimed at halting insider trading by members of Congress, would have required roughly 28,000 senior government officials to post their financial information online, and had come under harsh criticism from federal government employee unions.

Both chambers of Congress quickly – and near silently – approved the repeal legislation at the end of last week by unanimous consent, just before heading home to their districts.
well the only agenda in this country is how to get the rich, richer. Congress in there to serve themselves and nothing else. People will bitch about it, but there's nothing we can really do I guess. Our votes don't really matter...
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well the only agenda in this country is how to get the rich, richer. Congress in there to serve themselves and nothing else. People will bitch about it, but there's nothing we can really do I guess. Our votes don't really matter...
And this is precisely the kind of example that shows that Obama isn't some kind of Che-level Marxian revolutionary, however much the right may want him to be for the sake of boogeyman invention.
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2012 House of Representatives Election:

Democrats received 59 million votes
Republicans received 57 million votes

2008 House of Representatives Election:

Democrats received 64 million votes
Republicans received 51 million votes.

So, these Republicans that stayed at home for McCain also stayed at home for Romney and 10 percent of people who previously voted for Democrats voted for Republicans, but Obama's support levels only dropped from 53% to 51%?

Right.
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well the only agenda in this country is how to get the rich, richer. Congress in there to serve themselves and nothing else. People will bitch about it, but there's nothing we can really do I guess. Our votes don't really matter...
In the meantime, markets get the blame.

Our govt today is run by criminals.
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i think most people incorrectly lump them together as well. but then i wonder, is there such thing as a conservative democrat?
There was a Democrat who won his primary in Tennessee. I believe he was running for the US House. He ran as a fiscal conservative and social liberal.
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And this is precisely the kind of example that shows that Obama isn't some kind of Che-level Marxian revolutionary, however much the right may want him to be for the sake of boogeyman invention.
He is, he just can't get away with it all in one shot due to checks and balances. He's an incrementalist. An impatient one but one nevertheless.
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2012 House of Representatives Election:

Democrats received 59 million votes
Republicans received 57 million votes

2008 House of Representatives Election:

Democrats received 64 million votes
Republicans received 51 million votes.

So, these Republicans that stayed at home for McCain also stayed at home for Romney and 10 percent of people who previously voted for Democrats voted for Republicans, but Obama's support levels only dropped from 53% to 51%?

Right.
What's even more interesting, is the type of Republicans that lost their seats. It was the moderates.
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