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Old 04-23-2013, 08:07 AM  
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Will Dzhokhar get the death penalty?

Massachussetts: outlawed the death penalty in 1982.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital..._Massachusetts

Gov Deval Patrick: Publicly opposes the death penalty. http://www.ontheissues.org/Deval_Patrick.htm

Most Americans prefer life imprisonment to death if given the choice:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90348&page=1


Therefore there can be no doubt that the bomber will be kept in prison rather than executed. No way a liberal state will be able to oppose the death penalty (esp when they made it state law)..... and then turn around to execute the bomber. Must be consistent.
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:54 AM   #16
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I don't really have a full understanding of what the criteria are for the death penalty compared to multiple life sentences, but I could see him getting a lesser sentence due to the (probable) fact that his brother was really the one driving the whole thing, and he just went along for the ride.
That's kind of how Moussauoi (sp?) got out of the death penalty. The jury said he was just along for the ride and there was not point in making a hanger-on some sort of martyr. That's how I remember it, anyway.
Except the brother here was more than just along for the ride. There were only two guys. He was one, and he was shooting at police until the end.
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:57 AM   #17
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Ya' know I don't get that—going along for the ride. If he participated he did it too. He has free will and a conscience but agreed to mass killing.
No argument at all - he certainly deserves a VERY harsh sentence, and the death penalty wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm just saying that #1 was probably MORE at fault than #2. Whether that has anything to do with the criteria for the death penalty, I really have no idea.
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:58 AM   #18
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I don't really have a full understanding of what the criteria are for the death penalty compared to multiple life sentences, but I could see him getting a lesser sentence due to the (probable) fact that his brother was really the one driving the whole thing, and he just went along for the ride.
Give me a break. He was actively involved in indiscriminate bombing that killed women and children and then ace a cop in cold blood and then get involved in a firefight with other cops. He could've ratted his brother out and prevented everything. He could've refused to participate.

Instead he wasn't even just a co-conspirator, he was an active participant. Whether he led or followed doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:59 AM   #19
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No argument at all - he certainly deserves a VERY harsh sentence, and the death penalty wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm just saying that #1 was probably MORE at fault than #2. Whether that has anything to do with the criteria for the death penalty, I really have no idea.

Yes, #1 was probably more at fault, but there's more than enough fault to go around for #2 to get the chair or the needle. Whatever the feds do.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:04 AM   #20
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Yes, #1 was probably more at fault, but there's more than enough fault to go around for #2 to get the chair or the needle. Whatever the feds do.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:48 AM   #21
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Death penalty is on the table as the federal charges he's been hit with include that as a sentence.

And he will get it. And rightly so.

Again, I know this. I know Feds can swoop in and take precedence. I want to know how MA voters will accept this, given they are good liberals who don't like the death penalty. I just wonder if they'll be consistent, if Haaaahvad Square will have huge protests of liberals demanding no death penalty to Dzohkar.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:51 AM   #22
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Dershowitz believes that by not reading him his miranda rights, the authorities blew all chances at the death penalty:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...da_rights.html


I think he's probably right.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:52 AM   #23
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Again, I know this. I know Feds can swoop in and take precedence. I want to know how MA voters will accept this, given they are good liberals who don't like the death penalty. I just wonder if they'll be consistent, if Haaaahvad Square will have huge protests of liberals demanding no death penalty to Dzohkar.
No, and it's stupid to think that there would be. You're being a partisan douche.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:58 AM   #24
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Dershowitz believes that by not reading him his miranda rights, the authorities blew all chances at the death penalty:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...da_rights.html


I think he's probably right.
I think simply causing death by use of an explosive can be a Federal capital offense, or even just premeditated murder, so I don't know that they'd have to prove terrorist intention.
But obviously he knows the law much better than I do.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:53 AM   #25
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Dershowitz is not a partisan douche. He's known to be a political moderate. (lulz)
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:58 AM   #26
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No, and it's stupid to think that there would be. You're being a partisan douche.

True, we saw the war protests completely dry up after Obama was elected. Even though the wars continued. So you're right: no reason to think the Left will speak up against the death penalty for Dzhokhar. No law says they have to be consistent.
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:40 AM   #27
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Dershowitz believes that by not reading him his miranda rights, the authorities blew all chances at the death penalty:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...da_rights.html


I think he's probably right.
I'm guessing that at the time Dershowitz said so, the feds had not yet Mirandized him. Which makes sense since Bomber #2 was nearly incapacitated and couldn't talk. At this moment it seems he can barely talk. The night of, he was in critical condition. He wasn't in any capacity to acknowledge his rights even if they had Mirandized him. (Waiving your Miranda rights has to be voluntary and knowing.)

Now, however, he has been Mirandized. Dzhokhar could certainly give enough evidence of an intention for terrorism (if that is a necessary requirement for death -- I'm not sure it is) in his answers to police. Or there could be other evidence. It certainly to me appears to speak for itself as terrorism.

I'm not a law professor, but I don't see how Dershowitz is right here knowing what we know now.
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:57 AM   #28
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Again, I know this. I know Feds can swoop in and take precedence. I want to know how MA voters will accept this, given they are good liberals who don't like the death penalty. I just wonder if they'll be consistent, if Haaaahvad Square will have huge protests of liberals demanding no death penalty to Dzohkar.
Not "liking" the death penalty but being ok with it under particular circumstances isn't unusual or inconsistent.
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:05 PM   #29
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:25 PM   #30
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To me, the only problem with sentencing someone to death is in cases where someone may have been wrongly convicted. This is as open and shut as it gets. Flip the switch!
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