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View Poll Results: Would you be comfortable with this in your neighborhood?
Yes. This makes me feel safer. 13 20.00%
No. This is a violation of the 4th Amendment 50 76.92%
America is taking it up the Gaz. 2 3.08%
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:22 PM  
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Video Shows Home Searches By Boston Police Were NOT Voluntary

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Old 04-23-2013, 12:48 PM   #376
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That's the American spirit right there.

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You are really dumb.

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Old 04-23-2013, 12:48 PM   #377
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A lot of cops like that, by the way. It prevents some asshole from lying about how a cop allegedly roughed them up, illegally searched them, harassed them, etc.

It's a big reason why cops have cameras on their dashboards now. Just don't get in their face with a camera and distract them when they're trying to do their job.
Ya/cops never go after cameras.
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:50 PM   #378
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Ya/cops never go after cameras.
Yeah, I said that.
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:53 PM   #379
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Yeah, I said that.
Omaha just fired several cops for chasing a man into his house over video taping the brutality that went on,outside his house. recording a cop without his or her permission is just asking for a beat down
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:55 PM   #380
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While we're posting pics, Clay was nice enough to share this in the lounge

See, he should have also had a slab of bacon. If you knock on the door and the person who opens the door fears the bacon, they're probably a terrorist.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:01 PM   #381
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Omaha just fired several cops for chasing a man into his house over video taping the brutality that went on,outside his house. recording a cop without his or her permission is just asking for a beat down
Okay, well I guess that means that all cops will kill a person who films them and then go unpunished.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:07 PM   #382
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Okay, well I guess that means that all cops will kill a person who films them and then go unpunished.
Cops in Omaha will take your camera & if you hassle them about it, they will take your camera & then take you to jail for disorderly conduct . Its OPD policy.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:19 PM   #383
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Cops in Omaha will take your camera & if you hassle them about it, they will take your camera & then take you to jail for disorderly conduct . Its OPD policy.
Only if you're getting in their way with it. Otherwise, it's certainly not their policy to just take someone's camera. I don't know what teenage website you got that from, but it's wrong.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:19 PM   #384
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Only if you're getting in their way with it. Otherwise, it's certainly not their policy to just take someone's camera. I don't know what teenage website you got that from, but it's wrong.
If you say so
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:35 PM   #385
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:02 PM   #386
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The search was NOT citywide. It was narrowed down to a suburb called Watertown and to a particular area of that. The culprit was discovered AFTER de facto martial law was lifted....and by a private citizen outside of that designated area even.

Ya like the police state 'eh? Seriously, you sound like a bona-fide NeoCon right now. But we always knew this is what the left is really about deep down. You're in luck though...because more police state is coming. Our lives have changed for the worst in this country.

Always film the cops.
Most of this I can respond in pretty simple form: I didn't say it was citywide, it turns out he was a few blocks outside the search area but the police sure didn't know that at the time, oh good I'm being called a NeoCon now maybe it will balance out the people who think I'm Larry the Lefty, I don't think a police state is coming but I have no problem with our country having a healthy awareness or even fear of it, and yeah if you can it wouldn't hurt to film the police, etc., etc., etc. Okay, moving on, this is the sentence that really caught my eye.

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These people are in their homes because they've been disarmed and can't protect themselves.
This is really beside the point. This wasn't about guns at all, but about police hunting an violent escaped terrorist, and insisting that the problem was that the people of Watertown (a sleepy blue-state suburb, by the way, not exactly rural Texas) were somehow hamstrung by the oppressive Massachusetts gun regulations sounds an awful lot like a gun-rights proponent trying to force their message into a different conversation.

And what exactly do you think they should have done? You imply that if they hadn't been so callously "disarmed", they could have gone about their daily business as the horde of police were scouring the area. Do you really think that search would have ended better if the streets were packed with nervous, distraught, edgy, and armed citizens? Do you think that would have made it harder, or easier, for the police?

These guys were bombers, not shooters. No civilian firearm at the Marathon, or during the hunt, would have made this go more easily. So this time, the "everyone should have been armed" argument doesn't work, but we'll compare notes on how the absence or presence of guns affect the next mass shooting. You know there will be one, and the way things are going, it probably won't be too long a wait.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:14 PM   #387
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Most of this I can respond in pretty simple form: I didn't say it was citywide, it turns out he was a few blocks outside the search area but the police sure didn't know that at the time, oh good I'm being called a NeoCon now maybe it will balance out the people who think I'm Larry the Lefty, I don't think a police state is coming but I have no problem with our country having a healthy awareness or even fear of it, and yeah if you can it wouldn't hurt to film the police, etc., etc., etc. Okay, moving on, this is the sentence that really caught my eye.
Read the thread.

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This is really beside the point. This wasn't about guns at all, but about police hunting an violent escaped terrorist, and insisting that the problem was that the people of Watertown (a sleepy blue-state suburb, by the way, not exactly rural Texas) were somehow hamstrung by the oppressive Massachusetts gun regulations sounds an awful lot like a gun-rights proponent trying to force their message into a different conversation.
No, the gun point was raised because it should have something to do with the situation. Having a million eyes removed from seeing the suspect is another point.

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I think we should change our FP in the Middle East for starters. Then read the thread.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:15 PM   #388
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Professor Thomas DiLorenzo speaks on
"Progressive" Hypocrisy on House-to-House Searches.


Part of the contemporary "progressive" creed is a worshipful attitude toward the U.S. Supreme Court case known as Griswold vs. Connecticut in which the justices discovered a "right to marital privacy" in the Constitution. The same right-to-privacy argument has long been used to justify legalized abortion. Griswold vs. Connecticut cited the Third Amendment to say that in today's world, that Amendment means that "individual homes should be free from agents of the state." (The original Amendment itself prohibits the "quartering" of agents of the state in private homes).

So when all those New England "progressives" cheer the cops, SWAT teams, and military thugs who broke into their homes, pushed them around, ordered them out, and trampled all over them, they are not just applauding and welcoming tyranny but are also repudiating their beloved and cherished "right to privacy," the chanting of which is virtually what defines one as a "progressive" these days.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:23 PM   #390
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DiLorenzo tries to make a legal argument, but his comment isn't legally in the right ballpark. The right to privacy claimed by liberals is founded in the 14th Amendment's 'due process' clause. Its historical foundations are based on lofty views of freedom and liberty and what that entails.

The privacy against unreasonable searches is contained in the 4th Amendment, and in common law there have always been exigent circumstances to its application.
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