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Old 04-23-2013, 12:54 PM   #6646
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TCU and WVU were rated football teams... That's why the media contracts wanted us to bring them in.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:06 PM   #6647
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TCU and WVU were rated football teams... That's why the media contracts wanted us to bring them in.
Exactly. They were good short term moves made by a conference under the council of a network with a short term contract.

The rest of the power conferences made long term decisions while working with network partners.
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Colon is 0.7 WAR or 5M in value. He makes 500k. Getting pretty close, and since he's producing war each of the next 4 years of club control, he's fair value for Upton straight up. More than fair actually.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:09 PM   #6648
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TCU and WVU were rated football teams... That's why the media contracts wanted us to bring them in.
Then we made a very short sighted decision.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:13 PM   #6649
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Then we made a very short sighted decision.
Yep. Doesn't mean that it wasn't the right decision in the long run, but if it does, it's more dumb luck than shrewd planning.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:42 PM   #6650
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I also don't think the media guys really understood that a better conference might hurt those teams... But hopefully being in the Big12 helps their recruiting to get up there again.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:45 PM   #6651
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Then we made a very short sighted decision.
Let's assume for a moment that Fox Sports execs and their deal teams - you know, people with actual money riding on the decision - have access to data and analyses that we do not.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:57 PM   #6652
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Let's assume for a moment that Fox Sports execs and their deal teams - you know, people with actual money riding on the decision - have access to data and analyses that we do not.
Which is possible, but from my eyes it seems we made a decision with the next 10 years in mind while other conferences are thinking of the next 50.
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TV must have found something more appealing about WVU than Louisville. Wonder if they have any kind of market driven data, ratings studies, etc that they're privy to? I betcha they do.


The idea Texas made the decision to bring in WVU over Louisville over the objections of an opposed conference membership who obeyed like a dog......is something so hilariously dumb, only a Mizzoutard could believe it.
i wonder if the royals/chiefs have any player data that we aren't privy to?
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TCU and WVU were rated football teams... That's why the media contracts wanted us to bring them in.
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Let's assume for a moment that Fox Sports execs and their deal teams - you know, people with actual money riding on the decision - have access to data and analyses that we do not.
Let's also assume that a network with a contract allowing them to walk away after ten years might be inclined to sacrifice long term health of the conference for short term profits.

I don't think anyone here is doubting Fox's understanding of what is good for Fox. Fox jumped at the opportunity to add the flavor of the month over a Louisville program that is poised for long term success that may not be realized monetarily for a few more years. (Then they proceeded to win a BCS bowl and a national championship in basketball...oops.)

NOBODY in the Big East wishes they had kept TCU if it meant not getting Louisville.
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TCU's was an atrocious add. They brought absolutely nothing to the table for the Big XII. Big fish in a small pond. Seemed like a knee jerk move to me. Nothing wrong w/ adding WVA. State school, decent hoops and fball programs, expands the footprint even if it isn't contiguous. For what was available it was fine. They were a big fish in a small pond as well but that's a program that can grow and hold their own over time, plus additional TV sets. TCU OTOH is Baylor playing in the Mountain West.
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TCU's was an atrocious add. They brought absolutely nothing to the table for the Big XII. Big fish in a small pond. Seemed like a knee jerk move to me. Nothing wrong w/ adding WVA. State school, decent hoops and fball programs, expands the footprint even if it isn't contiguous. For what was available it was fine. They were a big fish in a small pond as well but that's a program that can grow and hold their own over time, plus additional TV sets. TCU OTOH is Baylor playing in the Mountain West.
Neither were terrible adds individually, but they were terrible together. Both would be acceptable complimentary pieces to pair with a big fish. The problem is that there was no big fish.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:41 PM   #6658
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Neither were terrible adds individually, but they were terrible together. Both would be acceptable complimentary pieces to pair with a big fish. The problem is that there was no big fish.
I disagree. TCU brings nothing the league didn't already have and they take away whatever their share of the pie is

WVA is like Neb and Ark in that they are the only show in town in states that rabidly follow them. The footprint expands and adds to the potential Tier 3 dollars of a conference network should the league decide to reverse course and pool all of that and given the way things have gone for Bevovision that may happen eventually. TCU is just another TX school in a league that has them in spades and no longer has the advantages they enjoyed in the MWC. WVA get now get players from there as well as their usual recruiting haunts.

WVA they could take or leave but it's a decent enough add for what was available at the time. TCU is just a drain on the teet.
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i wonder if the royals/chiefs have any player data that we aren't privy to?
Dayton Moore is a scout and has said multiple times he relies on teh scoutning approach over the Sabermetrics one. But this was a very nice faceplant on your part. Do better next time.
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I disagree. TCU brings nothing the league didn't already have and they take away whatever their share of the pie is

WVA is like Neb and Ark in that they are the only show in town in states that rabidly follow them. The footprint expands and adds to the potential Tier 3 dollars of a conference network should the league decide to reverse course and pool all of that and given the way things have gone for Bevovision that may happen eventually. TCU is just another TX school in a league that has them in spades and no longer has the advantages they enjoyed in the MWC. WVA get now get players from there as well as their usual recruiting haunts.

WVA they could take or leave but it's a decent enough add for what was available at the time. TCU is just a drain on the teet.

What exactly is Miss State? What is Vandy? What is Ole Miss? I mean, for most years South Carolina has been a net zero. The SEC has dogs too. I don't see what the SEC gains having 2 mouths to feed from the most impoverished state in the US.
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