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Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ory?id=2410670. If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ory?id=2410670. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.


Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ory?id=2410670. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.)

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Old 04-21-2013, 08:08 AM   #361
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Hmm. I've been looking at draft points under the new rule. So if I trade with, say, Philadelphia at the #4 pick before the draft I would get every pick in their draft. Every one of them, and I'd still be giving up points. I realize that we have an oddity this year in having the #1 pick, but does that seem reasonable?

I haven't thought about how we would value future picks and probably wouldn't remember that I have one anyway, so I'm thinking I'll just stick with this year's picks.

I think I would make that trade prior to the draft, but want to confirm that it's a reasonable thing. Or is a pre-draft trade at face value too generous? We're assuming that we could make the trade in real life, and that may not always be the case.
Yeah, that seems crazy. How can that be just to move up 3 spots? Definitely cause for reconsidering the rule. I like having trading of picks as an option, though.
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:48 AM   #362
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Hmm. I've been looking at draft points under the new rule. So if I trade with, say, Philadelphia at the #4 pick before the draft I would get every pick in their draft. Every one of them, and I'd still be giving up points. I realize that we have an oddity this year in having the #1 pick, but does that seem reasonable?

I haven't thought about how we would value future picks and probably wouldn't remember that I have one anyway, so I'm thinking I'll just stick with this year's picks.

I think I would make that trade prior to the draft, but want to confirm that it's a reasonable thing. Or is a pre-draft trade at face value too generous? We're assuming that we could make the trade in real life, and that may not always be the case.
We could do something like limit the amount you could get back in a tradedown to two picks in the same draft. And limit the number of trades you can make in a draft to two per year. That would keep us from getting ridiculous with the number of picks we end up with and it would be a modest penalty to compensate for the fact that we don't have to actually find a willing trade partner.
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:50 AM   #363
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We could do something like limit the amount you could get back in a tradedown to two picks in the same draft. And limit the number of trades you can make in a draft to two per year. That would keep us from getting ridiculous with the number of picks we end up with and it would be a modest penalty to compensate for the fact that we don't have to actually find a willing trade partner.
A trade up scenario would be different. I'd just stick with the draft chart for that one.

I'm not a big fan of trades that involve future picks just because of the bookkeeping involved, but if you guys want to keep that option, that's fine with me. I'll probably just stick with same-season trades anyway.
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So are you proposing that the draft rules are:

Prior to the draft:

1. You can trade up at face value.
2. You can trade down at face value, but are limited to only two picks more in receipt than you give up.

After the draft:

1. You can trade up, but your picks are at a 15 percent discount.
2. You can trade down, but your picks are at a 35 percent discount and you are limited to only two picks more in receipt than you give up.


I made it "two picks more" in case you do something with a package of your own picks, which is not unreasonable. I guess this opens a little room for abuse if I package my 1, 6, and 7, for a 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, but I'm not sure it's indefensible to do that, especially if you've got the #1 choice. Given our small group, we can probably rely on the honor system to do trades that aren't completely infeasible.

Honestly, this probably wouldn't even arise as an issue of concern if we didn't have the #1 pick and its exponential power.

I was quite tempted to trade down ahead of the draft, but I think I'll hold off. If the Chiefs make a trade down I'll consider it, but I might wait until after the draft since I'm not sure how realistic a prior trade down will be. Also, I think I've got my target and I want to see how far he falls.
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So are you proposing that the draft rules are:

Prior to the draft:

1. You can trade up at face value.
2. You can trade down at face value, but are limited to only two picks more in receipt than you give up.

After the draft:

1. You can trade up, but your picks are at a 15 percent discount.
2. You can trade down, but your picks are at a 35 percent discount and you are limited to only two picks more in receipt than you give up.


I made it "two picks more" in case you do something with a package of your own picks, which is not unreasonable. I guess this opens a little room for abuse if I package my 1, 6, and 7, for a 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, but I'm not sure it's indefensible to do that, especially if you've got the #1 choice. Given our small group, we can probably rely on the honor system to do trades that aren't completely infeasible.

Honestly, this probably wouldn't even arise as an issue of concern if we didn't have the #1 pick and its exponential power.

I was quite tempted to trade down ahead of the draft, but I think I'll hold off. If the Chiefs make a trade down I'll consider it, but I might wait until after the draft since I'm not sure how realistic a prior trade down will be. Also, I think I've got my target and I want to see how far he falls.
I was actually thinking of 1 pick more than you give up, but I'm flexible and 2 seems more reasonable now that I think about it.
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I was actually thinking of 1 pick more than you give up, but I'm flexible and 2 seems more reasonable now that I think about it.
Makes me no difference. If you're fine with it, let's go with two unless wazu feels differently.

There are a lot of players that interest me this year. While I'm glad I don't need linebackers in the short term, I sure hate to pass up on a couple of them out there. But I probably don't have a choice.
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Ok updating as I go I'll have it done tonight and as I said I'll only take chiefs picks from 2012







Trades

Reject Alex Smith trade

Resign Brandon Carr don't get comp third rounder




sign CB Dunta Robinson $15m/3 years
sign S Hasain Abdullah
sign WR Mardy Gilyard
sign DT Marcus Dixon
sign TE Kevin Brock
sign TE Anthony Fasano 4 years
sign QB Chase Daniel 3 years
sign DE Mike DeVito $12.6m/3 years
sign WR Donnie Avery 3 years
sign CB Sean Smith $18m/3 years ($11m guaranteed)
sign OT/OG Geoff Schwartz
sign FB Ryan D'Imperio
sign LB Chad Kilgore
sign LB Frank Zombo
sign OL Tommie Draheim




qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.


2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida


2011 Draft

1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn

2012 Draft:

1. DT Dontari Powe Memphis
2. OL Jeff Allen Illinois
3. OT Donald Stephenson Oklahoma
4. WR Devon Wiley Fresno State
5. DB Dequan Menzie Alabama
6. RB Cyrus Gray Texas A & M
7. DE Jerome Long San Diego State
7. WR Junior Hemingway Michigan



ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th





QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB 15 starts
15 skelton, john qb 1 start
12 Ricky Stanzi

HB
25 Charles, Jamaal - 6 starts
28 Mark Ingram -
42 Cyrus Gray


FB
44 Owen Maric



WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts
15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts
87 Leonard Hankerson
88 Junior Hemmingway
17 Devon Wiley


TE
49 leonard pope - 6 starts
81 Kevin Boss
? Scrub


T

76 Albert, Branden - 15 starts
75 Eric Winston
79 Donald Stephenson
74 Lee Ziemba


G

74 Smith, Wade G 16 starts
73 Asomah, john - 1 start
72 Jeff Allen

C
62 wegman casey - 16 starts
61 matt tenet

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina- 16 starts

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P - 16 starts

LS

43 Thomas Gafford


FS

37 Kam Chancelor
21 arenas - 1 start
38 Neiko Thorpe

SS

29 berry, eric - 16 starts
Ahmad Black
31 Tyson Hrtman



CB

24 Flowers, Brandon 15 starts
39 Carr, Brandon - 16 starts
21 arenas, javier - 1 start


OLB

91 Hali, Tamba - 16 starts
51 Brandon Spikes
96 Studebaker, Andy
52 Brandon Williams
99 Edgar Jones


ILB

56 Johnson, Derrick - 16 starts
51 spikes, brandon - 8 starts
59 Belcher, Jovan - 8 starts
95 greenwood, correy

DE

97 Allen Bailey
72 Dorsey, Glenn - 16 starts
94 gillberry, wallace -2 starts
90 Smith, Shaun - 10 starts
78 Ropati Pitoitua

DT

93 Jerrell Powe
92 Dontari Poe
93 Thomas, CAm



IR

49 Dequan Menzie
52 Dontay Moch

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Old 04-22-2013, 06:05 PM   #368
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1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn
Cool. Was that the first year you drafted? If so, you can catch up by building a roster from the following:

Current Chiefs roster (recall that Dorsey is gone)
You can keep any Chiefs player cut in the offseason (e.g., Winston)
Subtract any Chief drafted in 2011

Hmm, I think that's it.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:12 PM   #369
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Ok ready for the draft now

made some good picks over the years and some bad ones

trutfully there is no way I would have made these picks last year that is one bad draft


Ok so i keep carr so no third comp pick but still receive sixth comp


As it stands



However I"m not figuring out starts right now

1st no 1

2nd KC pick traded to SF

3rd Kc pick

4th Kc pick

5th Kc pick

6th Kc pick

6th comp

7th Kc pick

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Old 04-24-2013, 11:07 PM   #370
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One correction, Chiefscafan. Brandon Carr walked, so you have to drop him. You get the third round comp selection, though.
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I thought we didn't have to cut people chiefs cut or let go

That was the understanding I had so now I can't keep Carr?
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Old 04-25-2013, 01:12 PM   #372
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So if Albert is traded I have to accept the trade?
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Old 04-25-2013, 02:44 PM   #373
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I thought we didn't have to cut people chiefs cut or let go

That was the understanding I had so now I can't keep Carr?

If the player leaves and isn't cut, you lose them. So guys like Carr and Dorsey go and you can't control it. Guys that the Chiefs cut are your option to cut or keep, and guys that the Chiefs trade are your option to accept or reject as long as they're still on your roster.

Going forward, we'll stop losing free agents as long as they weren't Chiefs before the start of the game in 2009. So if Albert leaves, we'll still lose him, but if Eric Berry leaves we can keep him. But we won't get compensatory picks going forward. This will be the last year unless the Chiefs lose a big name that was there prior to 2009.
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So if Albert is traded I have to accept the trade?
If he's traded you'll have the power to either accept or reject the trade as long as he's on your roster. Similarly, if the Chiefs trade down in the first you can accept or reject the trade, but you can also trade up or down independently based on the rules of our game.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:19 PM   #375
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Planning out my trade for Geno, and it keeps getting better. My understanding is that based on the chart we are using, the 1.1 pick is worth 3,000, so I just need to subtract 35% of that, and then I can go shopping.

35% = 1050

So That means I have 1950 points that I can go find, and trade 1.1 for, correct?

(Edit: Obviously all being from the same team.)

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