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Old 04-24-2013, 08:48 AM  
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Asshat Republican Wants First Graders to Work for Food

Making Children -we're talking first grade to sixth grade- be forced to work to get a meal is the ultimate in "compassionate conservatism." JFC, is there no end to the idiocy?

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A West Virginia lawmaker floated the idea during floor debate in the state's House of Delegates of having school children work as janitors, the Associated Press reports.

The West Virginia House recently passed a school lunch bill on an overwhelmingly bipartisan basis, by a vote of 89-9, according to the Associated Press. The Feed to Achieve Act would establish nonprofits to solicit private donations to go toward providing every child with a breakfast and lunch at no cost.

But one Republican suggested that was a misguided notion.

"I think it would be a good idea if perhaps we had the kids work for their lunches: trash to be taken out, hallways to be swept, lawns to be mowed, make them earn it," Del. Ray Canterbury (R-Greenbrier) said during floor debate. "If they miss a lunch or they miss a meal they might not, in that class that afternoon, learn to add, they may not learn to diagram a sentence, but they'll learn a more important lesson."

Canterbury argued that providing students with free lunches would destroy their work ethic and show them "there's an easy way," the Charleston Gazette reported.

"I'm offended anybody in this body would dare say a child has to work for their meals," responded Del. Meshea Poore (D-Kanawha), according to the Gazette. "I can't believe someone would say a first-grader, a second-grader ... a fifth-grader has to labor before they eat. This isn't an entitlement bill."

According to a 2004 report from the Annie E. Casey Foundation, children in West Virginia [PDF] were almost twice as likely to live in neighborhoods with a high poverty rate, compared to the national average. The group also ranks West Virginia 47th nationally for education, with 79 percent of eighth graders not proficient in math and 73 percent of fourth graders not proficient in reading.

A national survey in 2012 from Share Our Strength's No Kid Hungry campaign found a majority of teachers report pupils coming to school hungry, which the group says makes it more difficult for students to concentrate.

Canterbury's suggestion was similar to a remark made by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich during a debate in the Republican presidential primary, when Gingrich suggested making poor students become janitors at their schools.

The Feed to Achieve Act now heads to the desk of West Virginia Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin, who is expected to sign it.
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Old 04-25-2013, 01:32 AM   #91
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One of the great things about money is that not only can it get you stuff, but it can also make more money. A dollar today can be put into work and end up being two dollars tomorrow. I would try to replicate that lesson on a small scale.

Suppose that for every dollar he earns on yard work, see if he would save a simple dime from it. Make it mandatory at first. Then say you will invest that dime, with a 50% return on investment per week. After a week, he would have $.15. Then after another week, and another dime, he would have $.38.

Do this for 6 weeks. He might appreciate the notable difference between $.60 and his "investments" and take that lesson to heart.

I've never met anybody who is a parent and has time or energy for this kind of system.
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Old 04-25-2013, 04:31 AM   #92
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These ****ing dumbasses need to realize that school meals are the only meals some kids eat all day.

I live in an relatively affluent town with a low poverty rate, and we still have to do a homeless/impoverished outreach where we send kids home with "lunchboxes" on Friday because that's probably the only food they're going to get that weekend.
If you can't afford to feed them,don't have them
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:19 AM   #93
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If you can't afford to feed them,don't have them
No shit. But I don't support singling out a five or six year old for the sins of the parents.
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:40 AM   #94
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I've never met anybody who is a parent and has time or energy for this kind of system.
I'm not sure why that would be time consuming or take much energy for a parent. Just to be clear, the parent is not actually investing the dime into anything. Just pretending to.
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:41 AM   #95
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We need some Jonathan Swift up in here.
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:45 AM   #96
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I've never met anybody who is a parent and has time or energy for this kind of system.
My dad used to teach us lessons in debt management. The first guitar amp I bought was second hand for like 200.00 or something. He fronted me the cash, then wrote up the terms for the loan, only charging me 10% interest as I recall. Back in the 80's this was not a bad rate. We worked out the payment plan, and he explained to me that if I got it done sooner (made more than the minimum payments) it would cost me much less. But the ultimate lesson was, it's better to just save the money and buy things you want in cash...not make payments.

My folks also gave us an allowance. We did a LOT of chores around the house for 5 bucks a week, but we learned the value of a dollar and that you have to work for stuff.
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:51 AM   #97
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My dad used to teach us lessons in debt management. The first guitar amp I bought was second hand for like 200.00 or something. He fronted me the cash, then wrote up the terms for the loan, only charging me 10% interest as I recall. Back in the 80's this was not a bad rate. We worked out the payment plan, and he explained to me that if I got it done sooner (made more than the minimum payments) it would cost me much less. But the ultimate lesson was, it's better to just save the money and buy things you want in cash...not make payments.

My folks also gave us an allowance. We did a LOT of chores around the house for 5 bucks a week, but we learned the value of a dollar and that you have to work for stuff.
My dad used to let me borrow from him, but he charged interest rates around 30%, and if I missed a payment, he would send his cousin Jack Bob to rough me up. One time I paid early using my birthday money. But dad said there was a hidden penalty to early payoffs, and I had to forfeit over my Christmas gift that year.
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:58 AM   #98
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Liberals are all about charity when they are using other peoples money
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:02 AM   #99
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No shit. But I don't support singling out a five or six year old for the sins of the parents.
At one time such a thing was called neglect, deemed a type of abuse, and the law got involved.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:20 AM   #100
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Liberals are all about charity when they are using other peoples money
Republicans are against charity until it's them that needs it. Once they get it, they are against it again.
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:26 AM   #101
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A kid's "job" in school is to learn, not pick up trash after their students or wipe down the toilets. Many kids have a hard enough time with learning in school as it is. Taking away their lunch because they didn't wipe down the chalkboards or do some other manual labor would make afternoons even worse.

If kids are acting up in classes, have them go to detentions after or before school to do manual labor.

This Republican moron's proposal is a social engineering project designed on perverse incentives that is so divorced from decency and reality that only someone like you would think it's a good idea.
They need to learn that nothing comes free. Rather they learn it at a young age than have them grow up with entitlement issues like so many from your generation.
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My dad used to let me borrow from him, but he charged interest rates around 30%, and if I missed a payment, he would send his cousin Jack Bob to rough me up. One time I paid early using my birthday money. But dad said there was a hidden penalty to early payoffs, and I had to forfeit over my Christmas gift that year.

Your dad is awesome.
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Republicans are against charity until it's them that needs it. Once they get it, they are against it again.
Nah, Republicans are the people that pay the taxes that make welfare possible.
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