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Old 04-28-2013, 07:17 PM  
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Bill Maher slams Boston police

Bill Maher called Boston police officers “unprofessional” on Friday for shooting at the boat where Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was hiding even though it turned out he was unarmed.

“I agree that we shouldn’t have given the kid his Miranda rights because he probably had information. We wanted to take him alive. We all agree with that.… there could’ve been bombs out there, there could’ve been an accomplice. So we wanted to take him alive. If you agree with that then what the cops did there was unprofessional. That’s called contagious fire,” Maher said on HBO’s “Real Time.”


According to reports, no gun was found inside the boat after Tsarnaev was captured, although the Boston Police commissioner had earlier said that cops had exchanged fire with the suspect.

Maher also said that America is becoming a “police state.”

“I want to talk about the police, who I am a supporter of… Look at this, I mean if this is what you have – why don’t you invade a country? …. I mean go up to Canada – take their oil… This country is becoming a police state. And it is very troubling to me,” Maher said, while showing pictures of police officers patrolling the city and searching for Tsarnaev.

Tsarnaev, 19, and his older brother Tamerlan, 26, are accused of being behind the bombings. Tamerlan was killed last week during a police pursuit of the two brothers.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz2RoKmwTrH
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:48 AM   #46
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It's because of pussies like you that these vermin thrive here. Should our troops read Miranda rights to the Taliban they shoot in Afghanistan? If a North Korean spy had been caught bombing American targets, would you worry about his rights?

THESE PEOPLE ARE OUR ENEMIES, YOU IDIOT. CITIZENSHIP WAS NOTHING MORE THAN COVER. **** THEIR RIGHTS.
Your attitude represents all that is wrong with America and this attitude of yours does more to push this nation towards a police state than any action taken by the government.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:51 AM   #47
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The way to solve this problem of enemy combatant vs criminal-with-Miranda rights is to officially declare war, which changes things legally. Yes, I realize it's a group that spans nationalities but there's nothing that says it has to be a country. Then such people would be taken as pows who could be interrogated. This no-where land designation of enemy combatant would have to go though. This would resolve the matter. Legally being in a state of war changes everything. Once over, it gets lifted and we return to normal.

As always, not following the Constitution just creates more arbitraries and problems.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:51 AM   #48
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You clearly have no idea what the Miranda warning is, or how it is used.
I know there shouldn't be any talk about whether or not an American citizen should be read their Miranda rights.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:58 AM   #49
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Your attitude represents all that is wrong with America and this attitude of yours does more to push this nation towards a police state than any action taken by the government.


That ships already sailed, dope.
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Old 04-30-2013, 06:06 PM   #50
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Your attitude represents all that is wrong with America and this attitude of yours does more to push this nation towards a police state than any action taken by the government.
You mean being annoyed that liberal turds roll out the welcome mat for enemy agents? Yeah, how horrible of me. ****.
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Old 04-30-2013, 07:04 PM   #51
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“I agree that we shouldn’t have given the kid his Miranda rights because he probably had information."

-- that was the quote I responding too. Also, notice Frazod' response.
Either way the fact that they didn't Mirandize him doesn't mean much to me. They asked him questions. He answered. So what?
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:12 AM   #52
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Either way the fact that they didn't Mirandize him doesn't mean much to me. They asked him questions. He answered. So what?
It was more of a comment that I don't think someone can worry about a Police state while, in the same article, say that quote. Those two notions are completely different ideals.

Or to put it another way, I don't think this sentence makes sense: "I am worried about a police state and I don't think an American Citizen should be given his Miranda Rights."
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:18 AM   #53
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You mean being annoyed that liberal turds roll out the welcome mat for enemy agents? Yeah, how horrible of me. ****.
I know right, we should totally take away rights of American Citizens based on the crimes they committed within the U.S.

Let's hold him indefinitely and torture him for information. Let's drone strike his family living here in America. Let's wire tap all Mosques. Let's take away the right of trial.

The rest of the world will know how seriously we take attacks on our freedom when we take freedom away from American Citizens. I bet we won't get attacked again then.
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Old 05-01-2013, 07:14 AM   #54
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I'm probably wrong, but, just because the cops mirandize you, doesn't mean anything you've said up to that point can't be used etc. I think people think that everything after you're mirandized can be used.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:16 AM   #55
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I know right, we should totally take away rights of American Citizens based on the crimes they committed within the U.S.

Let's hold him indefinitely and torture him for information. Let's drone strike his family living here in America. Let's wire tap all Mosques. Let's take away the right of trial.

The rest of the world will know how seriously we take attacks on our freedom when we take freedom away from American Citizens. I bet we won't get attacked again then.
So, that oath he took when they swore him in, does that include blowing up other American citizens as part of his civic responsibilities? No?

Perhaps if he didn't take his part of this bargain seriously, the United States shouldn't, either.

Idiot.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:23 AM   #56
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:42 AM   #57
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:56 AM   #58
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I know right, we should totally take away rights of American Citizens based on the crimes they committed within the U.S.

Let's hold him indefinitely and torture him for information. Let's drone strike his family living here in America. Let's wire tap all Mosques. Let's take away the right of trial.

The rest of the world will know how seriously we take attacks on our freedom when we take freedom away from American Citizens. I bet we won't get attacked again then.
Are you under the impression that Miranda is the equivalent of Abracadabra?

Individuals HAVE rights, precedent set in the Miranda case establishes that the mere existence of those rights isn't always enough. If investigators and prosecutors want to use information a defendant provides against his/her own interest in a custodial/investigatory setting in a subsequent trial against that same individual, the individual need to be ADVISED what his/her rights are, rights that have existed from birth, but the individual may not be aware of.

Note that there's a little phrase 'want to use,' and it's qualified by 'at trial against the same individual.' If the pros/invest think they already have enough against this individual, but he may still have useful information that may lead to others with ill intent, Miranda is irrelevant. They won't get to use anything gleaned in a custodial setting against THAT GUY, but that doesn't mean they can't make the calculation that they can still get useful intel.

I mean, you also understand that [save some clearly enumerated exceptions, spouse, clergy, but those must be asserted, ie can be waived actively or passively] there is no right against incriminating others.
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Maher doesn't realize it but he's trying to become a republican.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:43 AM   #60
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Maher doesn't realize it but he's trying to become a republican.
This isn't a right left thing, but it amused me greatly last week when he tried to elicit from Jimmy Kimmel a specific and obvious assessment of why people hate Gwyneth Paltrow. I knew right away what he was fishing for, and Jimmy didn't bit, so he came back with his full statement and Jimmy still shrugged it off. It was an amusing bit of interviewing prowess.

Basically it was the sense that she suggests that everyone should be doing rich people stuff because it's sooooo easy. ie, 'Tuesday afternoons are perfect for brioche and fresh squeezed organic mangoes on the Lanai.'
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